Dodgers at Phillies

PHILADELPHIA, PA - MAY 20: A sellout crowd watches the Boston Red Sox defeat the Philadelphia Phillies 5-1 in a MLB interleague baseball game on May 20, 2012 at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Photo by Rich Schultz/Getty Images)

What to do with Joc Pederson?  His bat skills have fallen off a cliff.  We hear that the pitchers have adjusted to him, or they have found a hole in his swing.  He is trying to adjust back, aka fix the hole.  Whatever it is, he has had little success.  His hitting numbers (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS):

April  .298/.461/.596/1.057  out of this world

May  .236/.341/.519/.860  very good

June  .222/.379/.495/.874  still good because of the walks

July  .169/.229/.258/.488  awful

last 14 days  .182/.206/.333/.539

last 7 days  .000/.000/.000/.000

What about his defense?  Do the numbers show that he is a stellar center fielder?  Do we have anyone who has similar or better numbers in center field?  We’ll look at errors (fielding percentage), range (number of putouts and assists per nine innings played), and assists.  The career numbers shown below reflect only what each player has done as a center fielder in the major leagues.

Pederson  98.1% fielding pct, 2.04 range, 5 assists in 112 games

Ethier  98.9% fielding pct, 2.02 range, 5 assists in 144 games

Puig  97.6% fielding pct, 2.22 range, 8 assists in 63 games

Hernandez  96.7% fielding pct, 2.78 range, 0 assists in 24 games

Van Slyke  100.0% fielding pct, 2.07 range, 0 assists in 21 games

Tabata  96.0% fielding pct, 1.91 range, 0 assists in 16 games

If the Dodgers sent Pederson back to AAA for a month, who would cover center field?  Based on the above statistics, Yasiel Puig or Andre Ethier could do the job, with Enrique Hernandez filling in once in a while.  The outfield in August could look like:  Crawford/Van Slyke in left field, Puig in center field, and Ethier in right field.




151 Responses to Dodgers at Phillies

  1. crash24now says:

    Not everybody agrees about what to do with Joc, so I started a new post with some numbers.

  2. crash24now says:


    Rollins SS
    Kendrick 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Ethier LF
    Grandal C
    Puig RF
    Pederson CF
    Guerrero 3B
    Wood P

  3. trublu4ever says:

    You’ll see half wanting Joc to go back…..the others will say he’ll be okay…..Donnie doesn’t seem to think he has a problem, which to me is the bigger mistake!

  4. griz says:

    I think Donnie is showing a positive front for Joc’s benefit. I still think he should use a lighter bat and cut down on his swing, though as I’ve said before it’s hard to tell what’s going on from out here in the sticks. But I still don’t think I’d send him down.

  5. The Beav says:

    Even though he’s still the team leader in walks, he doesn’t do that anymore either. I’ve yet to see any major leaguer that was so valuable on defense that it could warrant playing a .000 OBP. If he can’t hit these clowns Philly’s throwing the next three games, that should settle it.

  6. messagebear says:

    In this day of big money, a bit of carrot and stick shouldn’t be out of line. Let Joc see how it feels playing at minor league salary for a while – that ought to shake up the kid anyway. If not, he’ll just be another guy who couldn’t take the pressure. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him. Produce or perish is the motto.

  7. Dodger4life says:

    You have to put up $500 to win $100, if you bet that Joc will go homerless tonight. If you’re betting he’ll hit one, $100 will get you $350.

  8. crash24now says:

    In honor of his walk-off homer on Sunday, I have added a picture of “Baby Dre” up top.

  9. crash24now says:

    Look at Dre there settling into the cleanup spot. Dodgers are 4-0 this year with Every Day Dre batting cleanup.

  10. crash24now says:

    shoulda just bet on a game starting strikeout. More likely, plus you get your brownie sooner!

  11. crash24now says:

    Guerrero starts the DP from 3B!

  12. crash24now says:

    That rally really sucked. Runners on second and third with no outs and we score zero?

  13. The Beav says:

    Christ this team’s pathetic. Pitiful hitting. Just pitiful.

  14. crash24now says:

    Time to get that run back. Time for Joc to earn D4 his brownie.

  15. oldbrooklynfan says:

    We gatta get that run back.

  16. zonadodger says:

    Grandal has really surprised me…Glad tho

  17. zonadodger says:

    Come on Joc

  18. zonadodger says:

    Seems like they always have risp no outs and can’t get any runs

  19. zonadodger says:

    Bases juiced let’s go

  20. crash24now says:

    Guerrero – let’s go!

  21. zonadodger says:


  22. zonadodger says:

    Can Wood bring in a run lol

  23. zonadodger says:

    guess not

  24. zonadodger says:

    unreal..I’m out

  25. crash24now says:


  26. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Waytogo Dre’.

  27. Dodger4life says:


  28. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Wood looks good tonight.

  29. Dodger4life says:

    This team will need more than Wood if they make the postseason. They’ll need luck and Viagra.

  30. crash24now says:

    What was the call on that play? A balk? Never seen anything like that before.

  31. Dodger4life says:

    Peralta sucks!!

  32. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Tough to come back from this tonight.

  33. trublu4ever says:

    Dumbass Donnie sure knows how to use the Pen!

  34. crash24now says:

    Joc wanted his fourth walk. You just can’t take that same pitch twice in a row.

  35. Dodger4life says:

    No brownie’s tonight…

  36. The Beav says:

    Think everyone can see why this team never advances in the playoffs. Can’t score when opportunity after opportunity presents itself and Donnie doesn’t know shit from shinola handing a bullpen.

    Another pathetic showing, this time against the worst team in the league. I still think it would behoove the team this year to miss the playoffs entirely so the FO will finally purge the team of Donnie, McGwire and Bundy. Its not all this team needs, but its a start.

  37. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well, let’s hope we can get’em tomorrow night.

  38. trublu4ever says:


    • JhallWally says:

      Our bullpen sucks… Or, our manager just doesn’t know how to use them effectively….. I am leaning toward the latter….

  39. griz says:

    If we had five bucks for every time the team loaded the bases and didn’t score we could have bought the f@#$%^g Dodgers ourselves. How the hell does this happen time after time?

  40. The Beav says:

    Its impossible to feel good about this team. They win a few games, then look terrible against a team and pitcher they should pound.

    I don’t think Friedman and this FO are stupid. They put together what should be a good and talented team. There’s a few anchors like Crawford they haven’t dealt with yet, but for the most part, they won with a helluva lot less talent in Tampa and Oakland.

    It all has to circle back to Mattingly and the coaches. They can’t go out there and hit for these guys, but they sure as hell can change their philosophy. Teams that win in the playoffs put the ball in play and make the defense make plays. They push the D on the basepaths. They don’t stand around waiting for the big hit or bomb. This team strikes out way too much and goes totally brain dead when hitting with RISP. Something has to change.

    And now that Donnie has what basically amounts to a new bully, other than Jansen, I guarantee he’ll take the last two months trying to figure out what guy pitches when. He’ll inevitably get it wrong.

    And that’s Donnie’s other fault. He can’t make a decision and ride with it for awhile, unless that is when its not working. He tinkers and tinkers with the line-up all through July like its ST, regardless of if a guy does well at a certain position in the line-up. He’ll move people up and down trying to outthink himself except in certain cases like Rollins and Joc where he leaves them hitting leadoff weeks after they should’ve been moved down because he’s confounded why its not working and thinks any second that it will.

    Kasten and the Guggs let Ned go a year or two to see how he did without the restraints of McCourt. Not surprisingly, he failed and they moved him aside. I’m wondering if they’re doing the same thing with Mattingly. Giving him a chance without Ned hamstringing him with less than major league talent. If that’s the case, I have to think its his last year. No one can look at how he handles a team and come away thinking he’s doing a good job.

  41. oldbrooklynfan says:

    We have to keep up with the Giants, in order to get in the postseason. Also we have to try to stay ahead of the Cubs in case the Giants get passed us for the division title, so we’ll have a shot at the wild card. With two months to go, only time will tell.

  42. messagebear says:

    I love your continuing enthusiasm, OBF – you’re a true fan.
    But, isn’t it kind of ironic that a team with a $300 million payroll should worry about making a wild card? I would say that that in itself shows what’s wrong with this team.

  43. koufax1963 says:

    Wow , what a screwwy 7th last night, I was so stoked that we swept the Angels, and were going to face the Phillies, except this is not the same phillies, if you look at their recent record they are one of the best teams going now. Freaking Aaron Harang tonight: can we hit Him?
    I agree the draft was a bust. I think the trade deadline went very well. Compared to last years deadline, The dodgers were moving stuff, this year.
    Joc this and Joc that, holy crap he is a kid. Donnie supports his players. He stuck by J-Roll, and hey I will admit there is some professional courtesy and respect given to a player Like Rollins, but he let him work his stuff out, and now recently Jimmy is getting on base. Donnie did the same with Puig, AG and now with Crawford back, and Oh Boy he hit a double, Im sure he will satrt to play in Left, so AG and SVS, get the pine. I sure hope DRE stays and is moved to Center, with Puig in Right or puig out, DRE in right and Kiki in center. Then Joc can have intense BP.
    But you know, I am not the Manager, and Donnie may just think we are playing the phillies, so why do I have to play the players that give me the best chance to win?
    Perhaps that is where me, the FO and Donnie have disagreement.
    So I was impressed with Wood after it was all done.
    This month of August, I would hope to distance from the Gnats, but having bats in the line-up that dont produce is confounding to me, and I just dont get the bases loaded curse on this team, we cant score, I remember long ago Joc hit a Grand Slam, seems like a Blue Dream now.

  44. crash24now says:


    Rollins SS
    Kendrick 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Ethier LF
    Puig RF
    Pederson CF
    Callaspo 3B
    Ellis C
    Anderson P

    No Guerrero = Good
    No Grandal = Bad

  45. koufax1963 says:

    NO Crawford either, I am surprised. I want Turner back!!

    • crash24now says:

      JT is expected back the first day he is eligible to come off the 15-day DL, which by my count is this coming Tuesday the 11th.

  46. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Nice shot by Puig.

  47. crash24now says:

    Puig killed the rally. Dodgers 3-0.

  48. crash24now says:

    Meet Joc Pederson, the professional walker.

  49. crash24now says:

    Yay A-Gon, bringing home a run with a ground-out.

  50. crash24now says:

    Joc with yet another walk.

  51. crash24now says:

    Yet another Dodger failure with the bases loaded.

  52. oldbrooklynfan says:

    The Dodgers shouldn’t get too many men on base.

  53. The Beav says:

    10 hits and 8 walks and these assholes can only score 4, and that’s only because they got 3 in one swing. This team can get by with ineptness during the season, but as we’ve seen in all the playoffs past, this crap doesn’t fly against good teams when it counts.

  54. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Let’s go Kenley!!!!!

  55. koufax1963 says:

    I would of PH AG for callaspo in that 9th, only pray now to the dodger god

  56. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well we won, that’s all that counts.

  57. koufax1963 says:

    exactly! well done!! johnson a littlle better next time? Thank you Yasiel!

  58. griz says:

    This Johnson guy is scaring me….

  59. griz says:

    Donnie made an interesting comment on the team’s base running, or lack of it, getting thrown out at third and all. He says they harp on the fundamentals, have for years but these mistakes still go on. Now these basics start in the minors and it’s something that the players should get by the time they get to the big club. So are some of these guys bone heads or is something a little off with the system? Puig is a bone head, I don’t think anyone will argue with that, but he came out of a different system.

  60. oldbrooklynfan says:

    The best thing we got going for us today is Greinke. The Phillies look a lot better than they have all season.

  61. Dodger4life says:

    We might be the favorites today???

  62. koufax1963 says:

    honestly, some of these below 500 teams get surprisingly scary, they have AAA talent that wants to make a statement, I wonder if Urias or seger will do the same to other teams if we bring them up?
    Anyway less than hour to game time, GO DODGERS!

  63. Dodger4life says:

    I missed the game yesterday…I went and met up with the stagecoach near the old alfalfa field. Saw a hawk cruising amidst an awesome backdrop of the foothills/mountains.






  64. crash24now says:


    Rollins SS
    Kendrick 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Grandal C
    Ethier RF
    Crawford LF
    Callaspo 3B
    Pederson CF
    Greinke P

    I was half-expecting the lame day game after a night game lineup. No rest for the weary. I thought maybe Hernandez would play for Rollins and Van Slyke for Gonzalez. This is better.

  65. Dodger4life says:

    Let’s Go Dodgers!

    Play Ball!!

  66. crash24now says:

    Fucking Puig TOOTBLAN last night!

  67. crash24now says:

    Every Day Dre! You betcha!

  68. crash24now says:

    Crawford! Hey! We’re hitting with RISP!

    [just don’t load the bases]

  69. crash24now says:

    ummm. who is this guy disguised as Greinke?

  70. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Who’s that imposter on the mound?

  71. griz says:

    That didn’t last long. Zack must be human after all.

  72. Dodger4life says:


  73. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Could’ve Greinke been upset by his error?

  74. crash24now says:

    That was a hell of a game. Oh, whoops, still have eight more innings to play. Let’s get some runs.

  75. Dodger4life says:

    Anyone have any Milk Duds??

  76. crash24now says:

    Damn Sam! A-Gon goes yard! 6-5 Dodgers!

    Nice football game we’ve got going here!

  77. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Like starting all over again.

  78. Dodger4life says:

    Ethier = Flash………………….!!

  79. crash24now says:

    Greinke stops them in the second inning! Pile on the runs!

  80. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Now that’s more like it.

  81. oldbrooklynfan says:

    First Dodger HR by a pitcher, this year.

  82. griz says:

    Is this just me or is this game kind of weird.

  83. Dodger4life says:

    Bat Flip!!

  84. crash24now says:

    Dang it 7-6!

    Let’s go Defense!

    Dee-FENCE! Dee-FENCE!

  85. koufax1963 says:

    wow, get rid of the shaky first, and we have a potential blow-out, but it looks like it will be a bull-pen game,and that is where it might be a Blow-up game.

  86. koufax1963 says:

    Thought: Does having a New Born impact a MLB starting Pitchers performance? Not Zack?

    • crash24now says:

      If he didn’t get enough sleep last night then:

      1. Hurts his pitching, because he’s such a cerebral type pitcher.
      2. Helps his hitting, because less thinking is better. See the ball, hit the ball.

  87. crash24now says:

    Greinke 3-for-3

  88. crash24now says:

    Howie with the 2-RBI double! Dodgers lead Phillies, 3 field goals to 2 field goals.

  89. griz says:

    Better keep scoring. Greinke is at 94 pitches so this inning might be it for him. With our bull pen a 10 run lead might not be safe today. Hate to take Zack’s bat out of the game.

  90. crash24now says:

    Grandal sac fly! Dodgers: Touchdown plus field goal. Phillies 2 field goals.

  91. koufax1963 says:

    Kendrick has just been on fire lately! Dee who?

  92. Dodger4life says:

    Halftime…10-6, Dodgers

  93. crash24now says:

    The blind squirrel found a nut! Joc got a hit!

  94. crash24now says:

    Damnit Donnie! Why’d you replace the 3-for-3 Greinke with the strikeout king Puig?

  95. koufax1963 says:

    Absolutely, with same stuff from the vetrans as this year, and confident that seagar will bat better than 220 with few errors

  96. koufax1963 says:

    Yea, I was kinda hoping Donnie would ask Zack to go bat in the 7th.
    PHing is a tough job, I might put AG in to PH, rather than puig.
    Oh well here we GO, BP to rescue?

  97. The Beav says:

    I see Donnie doesn’t know when he sees it day after day. Peralta? Really?

    Loved Greinke’s bat flip.

  98. crash24now says:

    I don’t want to see Peralta again in a Dodger uniform. I didn’t want to see him today.

  99. oldbrooklynfan says:

    These games ain’t easy.

  100. Dodger4life says:

    Peralta sucks!

  101. crash24now says:

    Whew! Well, a win is a win. And a series win!

  102. Dodger4life says:

    😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

  103. koufax1963 says:

    and dont think that Jansen’s recent struggles were in the back of my mind, so no nightmares, I think Jansen needs a break, Peralta to be DFA! OK CUBS beat the Gnats!

  104. zonadodger says:

    Agree Peralta need’s to go away

  105. crash24now says:

    Kershaw: “Your ERA is sky-rocketing man. Move over, Imma gonna take over.”

    Greinke: “When’s the last time you ever went 3-for-3 with a dinger, man?”

  106. The Beav says:

    Peralta its this year’s Wilson and the year before’s League. Donnie however will keep trotting him out there because “he’ll get it”.

    What he needs to get is a bus ticket out of town.

  107. griz says:

    Series win against a suddenly resurgent Phillies.

  108. crash24now says:

    Jansen would not have needed to pitch had Donnie used Baez instead of Peralta.

  109. crash24now says:

    Front office needs to get Peralta off the roster.

    • The Beav says:

      Its the same scenario with Mattingly as it was with Torre. The only way to stop him from using a guy like Peralta is to get him off the roster.

      … or fire Mattingly, but that doesn’t appear likely.

      • JhallWally says:

        Our bullpen is going to be our undoing again. Just like last year… One would think with all the brains and all the money, they could put together an effective bullpen…


  110. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Let’s move over to Kershaw.

  111. Dodger4life says:


  112. Dodger4life says:

    In the last 7 days.

    The Pirates only have two players hitting above .300.

    The Dodgers have 9…

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