Trade Deadline

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The major league baseball trade deadline is 1pm Pacific Daylight Time on Friday July 31.  Two of the starting pitchers in whom the Dodgers reportedly had interest have already been traded.  On Thursday, July 23rd, the Oakland A’s traded Scott Kazmir to the Houston Astros.  Yesterday, the Cincinatti Reds traded Johnny Cueto to the Kansas City Royals.

So who are the Dodgers still thinking about?  Certainly Cole Hamels of the Philadelphia Phillies, although the price will be steep.  Hamels has a contract that could keep him from becoming a free agent until 2019.  David Price of the Detroit Tigers would be a huge prize pitcher.  He will be a free agent next year.  That would keep the trade price lower (in terms of quantity and quality of prospects).  Jeff Samardzija of the Chicago White Sox is another possibility.  Samardzija will be a free agent next year, also.  Yovani Gallardo of the Texas Rangers is another “rental” type pitcher (free agent in 2016).

Here’s how some of these guys line up in terms of career statistics in comparison to our current starting pitching staff.  I’ll throw in Carlos Frias into that comparison, if only to spare Zach Lee some unnecessary pain.  Just for laughs, let’s also look at Kevin Correa and Roberto Hernandez (aka Fausto Carmona).  WHIP stands for Walks plus Hits per Innings Pitched.  FIP stands for Fielding Independent Pitching.  FIP equals (13 x HR + 3 x (BB + HBP) – 2 x SO ) / IP, plus a constant to make the league FIP equal the league ERA.  The theory is that pitchers control home runs, walks, hit batsmen, and strikeouts, but have no control over what happens when the batter hits the ball into the field but not over the fence.

Please note that Clayton Kershaw is the current active leader in career FIP for all pitchers who have pitched more than 1,000 innings after the end of the dead ball era.  Kershaw’s FIP of 2.672 just barely edges out Sandy Koufax at 2.687.

 

WHIP     FIP        Pitcher

1.048     2.67     Clayton Kershaw

1.197     3.33     Zack Greinke

1.293     3.52     Brett Anderson

1.335     3.25     Mike Bolsinger

1.451     4.01     Carlo Frias

 

1.145     3.47     Cole Hamels

1.137     3.22     David Price

1.260     3.70     Jeff Samardzija

1.304     3.71     Yovani Gallardo

 

1.430     4.53     Kevin Correia

1.410     4.56     Roberto Hernandez

 

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133 Responses to Trade Deadline

  1. crash24now says:

    Dodger4life says:
    July 27, 2015 at 1:26 PM (Edit)

    David Price would jump to the top of the wish list for the Dodgers if he became available. They may see Jeff Samardzija of the White Sox and Yovani Gallardo, who’s with Texas, as possible backup plans.

    Dodgers GM Farhan Zaidi said they tried for Cueto and that they remained “optimistic” they’d do something by the deadline.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25251515/rangers-seen-as-slight-leader-in-hamels-derby-with-dodgers-second

  2. crash24now says:

    I didn’t comment about our need for bullpen help, but that is certainly an issue.

  3. crash24now says:

    Top Ten Active Pitchers Measured by Career FIP (minimum 1000 IP)

    1. Clayton Kershaw 2.672
    2. Adam Wainwright 3.113
    3. Felix Hernandez 3.154
    4. Madison Bumgarner 3.158
    5. David Price 3.222
    6. Max Scherzer 3.285
    7. Jordan Zimmermann 3.296
    8. Zack Greinke 3.328
    9. Tim Lincecum 3.356
    10. Mat Latos 3.401

  4. nedisajerk says:

    Wait a second SVS was in a taxi cab incident than why did he played yesterday? I still can’t get over that bunt. I wish Joc would’ve done the same thing.

    • Dodger4life says:

      I read that he hit his head (not too serious though) and they kept him out of the game the night before.

  5. Dodger4life says:

    Does anyone have any thoughts on the rumor that Ethier, or Crawford could be a contract swap with the Angels Wilson?

  6. The Beav says:

    Wilson Sucks.

  7. crash24now says:

    Crawford sucks, too. I’d send them CC for CJ, but no money.

  8. crash24now says:

    Tyler Clippard of the A’s would have been a decent add to the Dodgers bullpen. But the Mets beat us to him.

    • Dodger4life says:

      The Dodgers were quiet for a while, making roster moves in the off season too. Then all of the sudden they broke out with a bunch of surprises. This seems to be their new MO.

      • crash24now says:

        Are they going to be the architects of a six team deal, bringing the Dodgers twelve new players on Friday?

        Good grief, after the Winter Meeting deals, my head didn’t stop spinning until the Super Bowl.

  9. koufax1963 says:

    There is a thing about Hamels/ Price you name the ACE. Do they want to play for the Dodgers? There are other teams that have a more promising road to the WS. Royals, yeah Cueto sees that. Astros, Kazmir saw that. So I am Cole Hamels would I rather play for the 3-time WS champion Giants or the play-off, water treading Dodgers?
    This team just doesnt look as good as last year at this time, stats: they were 59-47 on 27-JUL-2014, only a bit better than the 56 wins on 27-JUL-2015. But several of our top performers are not with this team. Hanley, Dee, Uribe, Beckett and a couple like Puig and crawford are not delivering, not to mention the Ryu and McCarthy DL. So really what makes the Dodgers a team that good players would want to go to for anything other than $$$$.
    So the FO hasn’t improved the team that much.
    Im waiting for the deal, but it won’t suprise me if Leake or Gallardo wear Dodger blue, and that is what we may get. Bull pen help, I don’t see Kimbrel or Chapman coming, but any help has got to be better than some of the inconsistent crap the Dodgers have coming out of the pen now.
    I’m waiting. Thursday seems like the day of the deal. I don’t think Urias will be on the team if Hamels is. Just speculation, thats all Im good for here.

    • crash24now says:

      Yes, it’s hard to see how a deal gets done with the Phillies unless Urias (plus more, more, more) is the big name going over.

      • trublu4ever says:

        I think we’d part with Urias before Seager……to me, a prospect is no more than just that….prospect.

        • Dodger4life says:

          If Urias pans out as they project him too, he’s gonna be a marketing sensation, being a Mexican player.

          • Dodger4life says:

            But, I agree tru.

          • Dodger4life says:

            I do wonder why they kept Seager out of the Futures game and the AAA All Star game…If you say to keep him from getting hurt…explain why, please?

    • trublu4ever says:

      I think Hamels would love it….from what I hear, he is from the area. And, if you believe the “insiders” at MLB Network, he will be wearing Dodger Blue. Frankly…..I won’t believe anything I hear until a deal is done.

  10. lbirken says:

    Whatever the Dodgers do (or don’t do) I expect to be surprised since I have no real expectations. This new front office has said it wants to build from within and even though Guggenheim has deep pockets, I wonder how deep those pockets really are. Does anyone of us think the Dodgers will try to resign Greinke if he opts out of his contract? And can the Dodgers make enough moves to get the pitching help needed without giving up top line prospects?

    We still don’t know if the Dodgers could have made a deal to get Kazmir or Cueto in terms of what they would have had to give up to make the deal. Perhaps the price was too high. Or, perhaps something better is in the works. Whatever they do, let’s hope the results are worth it.

    • The Beav says:

      Unless it involves trading Mattingly too, nothing this team does will make a difference.

    • crash24now says:

      If they do not try to re-sign Greinke after he opts out of his contract, they should have their heads examined.

    • Dodger4life says:

      I personally would be against getting into another bidding war for Greinke. Both years he has had elbow issues at the beginning of Spring. I would have to error on the side of caution that this becomes a problem as he ages.

  11. Dodger4life says:

    Here lies the marker 😈 of The Beavs Forbes post. RIP!!

  12. Dodger4life says:

    Just in case you missed this in the sidebar section

    Bill Shaikin
    The worst 2 defenders in the majors this season: Hanley Ramirez and Matt Kemp, according to this metric:

    http://tinyurl.com/ol48lkv

  13. Dodger4life says:

    I just noticed Beavs post was gone. So I marked the spot above.

  14. Dodger4life says:

    N.L. West News
    Buh-bye Tulowitzki, aye… He’s a Blue Jay.

  15. nedisajerk says:

    Speaking of the Red Sox are Tazawa 29 yrs old and Uehara 40 yrs old available?

    Tazawa Signed thru 2015, 1 yr/$2.25M
    Uehara Signed thru 2016, 2 yrs/$18M

    Red Sox could have traded Uehara last year but ended up keeping him. The Red Sox owed us big time for taking on Crawford huge contract.

  16. lbirken says:

    That 4.5 game lead at the All Star break now half a game. Hopefully things change for the better with the boys back at Dodger Stadium.

  17. crash24now says:

    Detroit lost, so maybe they are ready to trade David Price.

  18. oldbrooklynfan says:

    It seems like yesterday we had a 5 1/2 game lead on the Giants. Now it has dwindled down to a precious 1/2.

    • Dodger4life says:

      The Giants have a tough and long month of August ahead…

      Although, I see they’ve entered the bidding for Hamels.

  19. Dodger4life says:

    Can the Dodgers really afford to stand pat? Can they really afford to risk trading for anything less than the BEST and chance further alienating a faithful following who hasn’t seen the team on TV for two seasons, if they don’t bring home a ring?

  20. koufax1963 says:

    If a major deal is not reached, then the FO failed. The guggs should go pick the astros FO apart, they seem to be doing something right. I cant believe their turn around , especially being switched to a new league!

  21. crash24now says:

    Papelbon, anybody? I know he’s not a fun guy and their may be ego issues between him and Jansen. I don’t care. He still gets guys out.

    • trublu4ever says:

      I heard the Nats are after him. However, he would only approve the deal if he is the closer. It has to do with him making bonus money.

      • crash24now says:

        If he finishes 14 more games in 2015, that locks in his 2016 option ($13 M for 2016). That is a big incentive for him to want to be the closer.

  22. crash24now says:

    How about Urias, Guerrero, Holmes, and Schebler in exchange for Hamels and Papelbon?

  23. trublu4ever says:

    The Royals acquired Zobrist…..Wow….they are going crazy….at least we won’t have to face him. He’s one of the A’s best hitters.

  24. crash24now says:

    Yes, there’s a game today – Lineup:

    Pederson CF
    Kendrick 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Grandal C
    Puig RF
    Ethier LF
    Callaspo 3B
    Rollins SS
    Anderson P

  25. koufax1963 says:

    why is turner not at 3rd? we could be 2nd place tomorrow. Maybe that would be incentive to get those god-damn bats hitting.

  26. griz says:

    Saw where the Phils want everybody’s best offer by tomorrow. Assuming Urias and Seager are still untouchable, do you think the FO might throw Puig into the mix? How far can you go with this? You sure as hell don’t want the giants to have him.

    • Dodger4life says:

      Hamels can legally block the Giants. They are one of the 20 teams on his list. I know he has recanted saying he just wants out of Philly. But still, they are on his list of teams he can block.

      • Dodger4life says:

        The list for his 2015 season. Hamels may block deals to all clubs except Atlanta, Chicago Cubs, LA Dodgers, NY Mets, NY Yankees, St. Louis, San Diego, Texas and Washington

        • Dodger4life says:

          Puig’s bobblehead game is tomorrow. His mother is throwing out the first pitch.

          • Dodger4life says:

            A bobblehead farewell perhaps???

          • crash24now says:

            Friedman: “Imma gonna trade you.”

            Puig: “But I got bobblehead tomorrow!”

            Friedman: “You do a bobblecycle, then I won’t trade you.”

            Puig: “How about bobbleslam?”

            Friedman: “No. Bobblecycle. Or you go play in Philly. The fans will eat you alive. Give me bobblecycle.”

          • Dodger4life says:

            .
            Good one, crash

            Bobblecycle…hahahaha
            .
            Mattingly: “You know the fuckin’ rule Yasiel!! Bobblecycle, or no bobblecycle, no one plays on their bobblehead day! Discussion over!!”
            .
            Puig: “Fuck you and your psycho-babble Donnie! [KaPow!] I’m gettin’ my bobblecycle!!”
            .
            Zack Greinke intervenes: “If I set one I-ota on you and a bobblecycle Puig, I’m running ya’ down with the team bus!!”

  27. lbirken says:

    So Justin Turner has some sort of infection that keeps him from playing, at least today. Seems par for the course this season. To coin a phrase, “it’s always something”.

  28. nedisajerk says:

    What was the purpose of that Tulo trade when they had Reyes and the Blue Jay were ranked #1 in runs? You would think the Rockies would trade Reyes now.

  29. nedisajerk says:

    Not often you trade for 3 OF’s. Victorino, DeJesus and Murphy.

  30. The Beav says:

    More pitching doesn’t do this team any good when it can’t hit a lick.

    The difference as I see it between SF and LA (other than Bochy is light years ahead of Mattingly as a manager) is that their offense puts the ball in play. You can’t score many runs if you can’t get the bat on the ball, and Pederson and Puig can’t and don’t often enough to make any difference. They talk about trading Puig, but I’m not opposed to trading Joc either. Sure he’ll hit HRs, but unless he’s batting 6th, they’re most all going to be 1-run shots. I never was a fan of all or nothing guys like Kingman and Dunn, and Joc’s a lefthanded Kingman if ever there was one. His only saving grace is he plays a better than average CF.

    You need a couple guys in the line-up that can hit one out, but this team strikes out WAY too much. Combine that with no speed station to station base running and you get what we have seen all year – they have to homer to score. No homers, no score.

  31. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well 9 up and 9 down for the Dodgers.

  32. griz says:

    Familiar.

  33. Dodger4life says:

    So much for the deeper lineup…

  34. The Beav says:

    This team sucks.

    And I don’t mean the A’s.

  35. oldbrooklynfan says:

    All quiet on the western front.

  36. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Gray skies.

  37. lbirken says:

    There is not much to say because the same thing is happening all too often. It is one thing to get blown out 15-2 but how often does that happen? The Dodgers are losing close, low scoring games even when getting good pitching from their own pitchers. Doesn’t it seem that the Dodgers are facing great pitching almost every game? Tonight is another game where a Dodger pitcher would have to have thrown a shutout just to stay even. At least it was a quick game.

    So about all those trades for more pitching: The Beav already said it.

  38. JhallWally says:

    Pathetic effort last night!!!

    This team is fundamentally flawed.. The bullpen sucks. The starting pitching is incredibily thin after Kersh, Greinke, and Anderson. And, the offense is a freaking joke..

    I don’t think our supposed new front office brain trust can fix it all.. I am not impressed by what they have done so far.. Exhibit-1, our current team.. I think they have failed so far. The McCarthy deal is basically the equivalent of the Ned/Schmidt fiasco. They have not improved the bullpen.

    Bottom Line: This team is just not a WS contender as structured from the top down…

    I will be rooting for the KC Royals!!! And the Astros!!!

  39. oldbrooklynfan says:

    The way things are with this team, so close to the Giants (1/2 game up) with the Giants hot as of late and with the trading deadline approaching, it’s very hard to tell what the near future holds.
    Who knows? Anything can happen.

  40. griz says:

    The above posts pretty much sum it up. The offense is for the most part nonexistent and there is no Manny on the horizon. I think, though, McGuire ought to take that heavy bat away from Pederson and have him cut down on his swing. Mattingley says he’s working on going inside out on his swings, but the weight will not allow the quick hands he needs for that. The hands may come through but the head of the bat will drag. Anyway, right now I definitely would not be giving up anyone that is projected as a productive major league player

    • Kahliforni says:

      How about just fire McGwire? Never did like his hire, anyway. Like our manager, he prefers taters. Small ball? Never heard of it. I wonder if Lopes enjoys working with these two first basemen…

  41. Dodger4life says:

    Latos and Morse, are Dodgers.
    .
    Kershaw has been scratched for tonight??

    • Dodger4life says:

      His hip/glut is sore…may still start??

      • crash24now says:

        David Vassegh said he confirms Kershaw will not start tonight. Here’s hoping he feels better soon!

    • crash24now says:

      Latos may help the club. A good not great right handed starting pitcher, free agent at the end of the year. Morse, not so much. Although right now his bat (righty) is better than Guerrero’s. So, a bench piece.

      Now the Dodgers need to complete the deal for Hamels and make sure to send them Guerrero in the deal.

      None of this helps the offense, which, as said so often above, is anemic.

      • 32and53fan says:

        I was surprised to see Latos in the number 10 position in your list of (big name) pitchers leading in FIP. Maybe with our defense, his ERA will come down.

  42. trublu4ever says:

    I think the dominoes are falling into place for something big!

    • crash24now says:

      The Hamels deal will likely go down tomorrow. The question is, which team other than the Phillies will be involved in that deal?

  43. crash24now says:

    I hope we didn’t give up any of our top pitching prospects for Latos and Morse. I’m talking about Urias, Jose De Leon, and Grant Holmes specifically.

  44. zonadodger says:

    Hi….Something else is in the works lol…..Morse or SVS heading somewhere else in another deal? I’m hoping Urias, De Leon not in this deal lol….I could see De Leon in a David Price or Hamels deal tho

  45. zonadodger says:

    Or Alex Guerrero is a goner

  46. crash24now says:

    Cupaguano is now available. (just kidding, but you know Ned would have been all over that).

  47. koufax1963 says:

    Latos, years ago, would of been nice. Now he will be another #5 that will haul out and hope. Morse, another OF, like we need that, I can only suggest one of our OFs (DRE, Crawford, Puig, guerrero or Morse) is being packaged up. But after the heany pick and then dump, perhaps Latos is going in the package.
    Last night: I can see why Billy beane Is not trading Sonny Gray.

    • crash24now says:

      I offered my brother-in-law, an ardent A’s fan, Puig for Gray. His response: Hell NO.

      • crash24now says:

        As good as Gray is, he still gives up 6 1/2 hits per nine innings. The Dodgers could only manage three hits. Seems these days, we are always three (or more) hits short.

  48. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you had Latos on your shopping list???

  49. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you had wine on your shopping list???

  50. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you had the hard stuff on your shopping list???

  51. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you had a personal shopper and had to fire them because they brought home Morse???

  52. messagebear says:

    Latos I would call unnecessary, but it will be something to point to once we fail to come up with a substantial front line pitcher. If we need Latos, why didn’t we just keep Haren – we paid his salary anyway. Morse from his stats looks worthless – like we need another stiff in an offense lacking lineup. Frankly I think this new front office is just filled with a bunch of new assholes – the same incompetence, just different names. I’m at the point where I’m willing them to fail. Maybe after a couple of years spending all that money for no results the Guggenheims will be ready to give up and might sell the franchise to someone who knows baseball – and someone who might let the locals watch their team on TV.

  53. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you think Hamels will soon be a Dodger?

  54. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you think Chapman will soon be a Dodger?

  55. Dodger4life says:

    Reply if you want Mattingly fired???

  56. messagebear says:

    Oh wait, why would the Guggenheims give up on the franchise – after all, the ballpark gets filled, they get all that cable money whether the fans get to see the team or not. They’re not counting success in championships or World Series appearances, only revenue and profits they can pocket. Maybe I’ll just call them Guggenholes, which might even pass the censors.

  57. nedisajerk says:

    Please flip Moose now terrible trade Zahid. Moose is still under contract for 2 yrs and I’d rather have Capps and Ichiro.

  58. zonadodger says:

    2:38pm: Righty Jeff Brigham is one piece of the deal going to Miami, Joe Frisaro of MLB.com tweets.

    Meanwhile, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com suggests on Twitter that the reason for the hold-up in learning the final transaction’s parameters is that a third club may be involved, creating a “bigger” overall deal.

  59. zonadodger says:

    Not sure i buy what Jimbo Bowden says lol

  60. zonadodger says:

    The believed holdup on Marlins/Dodgers trade is LA is looking to flip Morse to another club…Per Joe Frisaro

  61. Dodger4life says:

    Breaking News!!
    .
    They’ve changed Puig’s nickname from
    .
    The Wild Horse

    to

    The Petting Zoo Pony

  62. The Beav says:

    I got excited for a moment. I thought it read that they’ve changed Puig’s address.

    Yet another in a series of letdowns.

    • Dodger4life says:

      Wait for it…
      .
      They’re in the process of acquiring 4 more Shetlands, so that they can package him as a Carnival ride.

  63. koufax1963 says:

    That was funny, pony Puig, Yeah, if Morse is a flip Im fine, I looked at Latos stats, not impressive over the season, but in the month of July has been quite good. I just dont want Morse on the Dodgers because he carries a Gnats WS ring. Of course I wanted colletti gone too, even though he did not have a gnats WS ring, he was tainted. Next Conte, now that Uribe is gone.Then I think the Dodgers will be Gnat free for the first time in years.

  64. crash24now says:

    Puig is taking early batting practice…

    Or is he going round ‘n’ round in circles?

  65. Dodger4life says:

    I’m unsure which one of us it was, but it looks like we broke this damn thing again Beav!

  66. trublu4ever says:

    Rosenthal reports Braves are 3rd team involved in trade with significant players involved……what could that mean? Braves?!

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