No to Censors


The “Outside the Dodgers” blog is independent of any entity.  Most if not all participants are citizens of the United States of America, therefore by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, we have the freedom of speech.  Not only that, we exercise that freedom quite vigorously.

As fans of the Dodgers, we’ve got a right to complain.  The Dodgers have not won or even been in a World Series since 1988.  We can all argue about why this is true, and most of us feel a need to argue about why this is true.

Other blogs – especially the blog we started at, “Inside the Dodgers” – have moderators and use censorship.  We have never had a moderator and need nor want any censorship.

We say what we want to say when we want to say it!

So get off – we don’t need a censor!

Stop deleting our comments.

139 Responses to No to Censors

  1. crash24now says:


    Pederson CF
    Kendrick 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Grandal C
    Ethier LF
    Puig RF
    Rollins SS
    Callaspo 3B
    Greinke P

    Turner gets the night off. Grandal moves up to cleanup. Every Day Dre batting fifth.

  2. crash24now says:

    Hit the hell out of the ball against the Rookie Severino!

  3. The Beav says:


  4. trublu4ever says:

    AMEN……NO TO CENSORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. crash24now says:

    Note to Friedman, Zaidi etc:

    Get us two more front-line starting pitchers that will get us through the playoffs!

    I want Hamels and Cueto! Both of them!

  6. kahliforni says:

    No to censorship. No to Donnie.

  7. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Two things I like about this blog. They express how they feel and there are no homers.

  8. The Beav says:

    There’s no excuse for this bunch of assholes not to be knocking a guy with an ERA over 7 all over the ballpark. No excuses whatsoever.

    • The Beav says:

      The guy doesn’t even throw hard enough to break a window.

      • trublu4ever says:

        I think they are getting your message!

        • The Beav says:

          What this team needs more than anything else is a good old fashioned ass chewing. I’m so sick of them taking on Donnie’s “well we can always get ’em tomorrow” attitude. Half the time they never look prepared to play. Be nice once in awhile to see some intensity in their game.

  9. vl4eccjr says:

    Good evening folks.
    Sad day for Raider Nation today with the passing of Kenny ‘Snake’ Stabler at age 69.

  10. trublu4ever says:

    Boy, Zack is a freaking beast!

  11. nedisajerk says:

    I hope just like last night Donny let Zack finish it off.

  12. The Beav says:

    Might this night be the first back to back Kersh/Greinke wins since April?

  13. The Beav says:

    Is saving 1 freakin’ inning going to matter to Greinke this season? Donnie is worthless.

  14. The Beav says:

    Be funny to come on here tomorrow and see half of tonight’s comments deleted.

  15. koufax1963 says:

    wow Zack was great! and if puig can get hitting this will be great?

  16. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Another brilliant pitching performance.

  17. lbirken says:

    So who would you be willing to give up for Hamels and/or Cueto?

    • lbirken says:

      Or alternatively, what would it take to get the Reds and/or Phillies to get a deal done?

      • kahliforni says:

        As far as Hamels, with the Phils going nowhere and their GM taking angry hits the past few years, there’s no hurry to move Hamels until teams get desperate fighting for a playoff spot. They’re not going to bite on 2nd-class chum like Van Slyke or Guerrero. They’re going to want game changers, kids with a “can’t-miss” future. I don’t see Hamels coming to LA. Pederson has proven to be the real deal, so Seager is going nowhere. Dodgers will end up with a functioning, inning-eating veteran–or two–nothing more, in my opinion.

  18. colliethec says:

    I am Akismet…..

  19. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo!!! Win Streak!!

  20. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I’ll be missing a few innings here and there while I attend the annual feast nearby. I’ll miss Sunday’s game entirely as I usually do every year. I’m not watching the Home Run Derby this year even though Pederson is participating but I won’t miss the ASG.

  21. The Beav says:

    I would think a 4 package of 3 of Wieland (mostly ML ready), Cotton (good live young arm about a year away), Schnebler (85% ML ready), and Lee (should be ML ready), plus one of Frias, Garcia or Guerrero (pay him to waive the opt out and 75% of his remaining salary) would be enough for Cuerto or Hamels. 3 arms and a position player or 4 young controllable arms is fair for a rental, or throw in another and make it a 5 for 1 for Hamels.

  22. koufax1963 says:

    I understand the feeling we need a hamels or cueto, and they would be great picks; but the Dodgers really need a good #3 (a name? Kazmir) or many other possibles like that, Our BP needs fresh 1,2,3 outs arms replenished. Now if we get two starters and Anderson become #5, then great, but we gotta get something that would compare to a healthy RYU. Grienke can Walk and the Dodgers can just give him more money for a return contract. He Likes that!
    Dont want to trade a Seager, urias or any other future star for an ACE rental or 2yr deal.
    My thought, I wonder what friedman zaidi are thinking?

  23. crash24now says:

    Showcasing Guerrero for upcoming trade season?

    Pederson CF
    Kendrick 2B
    Turner 3B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Grandal C
    Puig RF
    Guerrero LF
    Rollins SS
    Bolsinger P

    Or simply a matter of Every Day Dre’s left leg – slight injury? Hurry back, Dre!

  24. crash24now says:

    Urias for Hamels straight up? Hamels contract runs through 2019.

    Guerrero, Zach Lee, and Frias for Cueto?

    • The Beav says:

      Urias will be in the rotation at some point next season. I’d prefer he be in ours. Hamels can only go down hill for a whole lot more money. I think Urias is the real deal and wouldn’t trade him straight up for anyone.

      De Leon might be someone interesting to dangle in a trade though.

  25. crash24now says:

    Donnie is a liar. He straight up told us that Beachy would not start tomorrow. Now the Dodgers have announced that Beachy will start tomorrow.

  26. vl4eccjr says:

    Donnie is a douche bag!

  27. The Beav says:

    What is the point of having Pederson lead off virtually every game when all he ever does is strike out his first AB?

  28. JhallWally says:

    Thar she blows!!!

  29. The Beav says:

    Why is it these assholes can’t play more than 1 or 2 decent games in a row? Bolsinger finally is tossing a nice game and they can’t even get a friggin hit off a mediocre pitcher.

  30. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well the no-hitter is over.

  31. JhallWally says:

    It’s not looking good for our guys tonight….

  32. JhallWally says:

    Way to go Andre!!

  33. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Your man comes Tru.

  34. colliethec says:

    Every Day Dre rises from the bench to deliver!!

    As far as a trade I’d like to see them go after Kazmir & Clippard. Oakland is pretty much out of it. One move could pick up a quality starter and set up guy for KJ.

    • JhallWally says:

      Not a bad idea Collie.

      • colliethec says:

        Thanks Wally. I was kinda pulling for that from early on in the season because I thought the A’s would have a tough season so I was trying to figure who would be available and a good fit. They both have had pretty good seasons.

        I think they could be had for less than what the Phillies & Reds are looking to get in return.

        The last week or so they have also brought that move up on Dodger Talk.

        I think they’d be solid for the team and fill 2 of the holes we have. It would also trickle down as then you could have Frias when he comes off the DL as the swing/long man out of the pen which the team doesn’t seem to have.

  35. colliethec says:

    Oh and I haven’t been censored that I know of but I haven’t been able to post for days.

  36. trublu4ever says:

    Whew….we pulled out a close one!

  37. oldbrooklynfan says:

    we win

  38. crash24now says:

    Every Day Dre. You can’t say much more. He really got the job done today. He’s been doing great all year. I think he’s the Comeback Player of the Year.

  39. koufax1963 says:

    wow, that 7th inning is the very encouraging, two outs, then some hits, a stolen base, A very critical one too, then the DRE shot for the tie, and JOC says ” going for the win” and he doubles.
    I have reconsidered Hamels after his debacle at the phone booth last night! Thought the phillies had a chance to win one vs, the gnats last night, but whoa was I wrong.

  40. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well, the worse the Dodgers can be going into the break would be a 3 1/2 game lead. I’ll take that.

  41. crash24now says:

    Tonight we will see what Brandon Beachy has.

  42. griz says:

    Statistically not too many have come back from two Tommy Johns. Good luck to Beachy, but I hope he has some money saved.

  43. The Beav says:

    Shocked when I woke up this morning and they had won. Might it have been my motivational rant? It usually works.

    Wow, long time in between wins for Tsao. Is it me or did it seem like he pitched in a helluva lot more games for us than 21 in one season?

    I expect Beachy to get rocked all over the park tonight. He wasn’t exactly mowing them down in rehab. I appreciate his dedication and moxie to getting back after two TJs, but I don’t think he’s the answer to a rotation spot either.

  44. trublu4ever says:

    Frias (when he comes off the DL) either! I was thinking we’d get somebody during the AS break,

  45. The Beav says:

    Not one of those 6 pitches to Puig was anywhere near a strike, yet he swung at 3 of them.

  46. trublu4ever says:

    Beachy not looking too peachy!

  47. messagebear says:

    Puig should be traded for Hamels or Cueto, or pretty much anybody else of value.

    • The Beav says:

      Lets just say I wouldn’t miss him.

      • trublu4ever says:

        I’m thinking when we visit Washington after the AS break, it would be a good idea to take one of their many pitchers off their hands. I wouldn’t mind having Fister at all!

  48. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Just got in, maybe I can give the Dodgers a little luck.

  49. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Better luck tomorrow.

  50. lbirken says:

    Maybe tonight’s game should be censored.

  51. kahliforni says:

    Brewers’ pitcher throws 100 pitches for complete game. What’s that, about 11 pitches per inning? Pathetic performance in a long line of pathetic offensive performances. I know Dodgers will make the playoffs, and I’m sure Friedman will dig up a pitcher or two. But this version of the Dodgers is a predictable carbon copy of previous years. I don’t see anything changing, playoff-wise, under current leadership. Nothing really against Mattingly (well, actually there’s a lot) but if 2015 turns out to be more of the same, I would hope the owners would consider a new direction, if for no other reason, for the sake of exorcising boredom.

  52. lbirken says:

    Once again the Dodger offense pretty much disappears but the more pressing problem is pitching, or lack thereof. It will be interesting to see how management addresses this issue. I am sure management will try.

  53. griz says:

    What is it with these guys. Night after night no bats. A couple of nights ago I saw Brian Wilson, who is also a baseball fan, in SLC, and I’d be willing to bet he could produce more than the Dodgers right now. He’s a lot more entertaining than they are and that’s for sure.

  54. The Beav says:

    Think its pretty plain to see that with a rotation of Kersh/Greinke/Anderson/Bolsinger/???, and a minimal all or nothing station to station offense, you’ll never get any more than a 2-3 game winning streak at best. Even Ned knew you needed more than 5 qualified starters going into the season. And his “talent” teams were a helluva lot more entertaining. This team is all but unwatchable too many times, last night being another one.

  55. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Well I’ll be at the feast all day. First for the dancing of the Giglio which starts around 1:30 PM and usually goes on a few hours. I’ll remain there the rest of the night, hoping to find that the Dodgers won when I finally come home. The first half has ended for me as far as watching the games.
    I hope the second half of the season is as good as the first, only with more wins against teams that are over .500.

  56. Dodger4life says:

    We have a new/old lead-off guy today….Joc moves down to 5th.

  57. trublu4ever says:

    Kersh is replacing Scherzer in All Star Game.

  58. koufax1963 says:

    Well we have a new lead off guy, I was hoping it would happen, but with more than a 215 BA, well has to start somewhere and it can only go higher, as seager is ready,
    Not sure I like kershaw in the AS game, break with family might be better.
    what is encouraging: there have been more stolen bases lately

  59. The Beav says:

    Anderson’s wearing down as the season goes on – he hasn’t thrown more than a handful of innings in the last several years and he’s looking like he’s hitting a brick wall.

    Say what you will about Ned – I certainly did, but he at least understood you needed more than 5 starters on hand going into the season.

  60. The Beav says:

    And why can’t our guys even get any hits against a starter with an ERA well over 6 coming in? Our offense is totally unwatchable.

    Turner’s not an everyday ballplayer. Reminds me of JP in that respect. Small doses of JP and he performed pretty well. Large doses and he sucked hind tit. Puig needs to be traded while his perceived value is high because everyday he’s out there his value goes down. Why Seager isn’t on the team already is beyond me. And why is Ellis around at all? Donnie’s schizophrenic line-ups don’t help either. Play your friggin best 8 against right or left and have at it. You lose then you know you’ve lost with your best. Hey, someone might even get on a hot streak and carry the team for a week or two. How the hell they going to do that now when he’s always shuffling line-ups and players?

  61. koufax1963 says:

    The Bull pen better be ready, Anderson can’t start the 5th with trouble, every body in the BP gets 3 days off after this game.

  62. Dodger4life says:

    Boring is an understatement…Vinny said last night that this club has been beating up on teams under .500 and not faring so well against teams above .500. Every game is a struggle to score a run. Heck, they aren’t even hitting home-runs anymore…(nevermind that Ellis just went yard). Joc in the last 30 days is hitting a paltry – .189, Puig – .212, Van Slyke – .214, Gonzales – .215, Rollins – .234! Then there is Guerrero who doesn’t appear to be a Major Leaguer, sucking up a roster spot. Kahli claims the bully is worse than last season and they may be…
    As far as Anderson…he looks like he is running out of gas, I agree.
    It’s difficult to follow this club with any amount of enthusiasm …

  63. crash24now says:

    Say what you will about Ellis, but he’s actually started to hit pretty well.

  64. koufax1963 says:

    yea ellis has to make the most of his time!, and Pederson and Puig, are the ones where the BA is trailing south, pretty soon Joc will be back to the 8 spot legitimately

  65. trublu4ever says:


  66. koufax1963 says:

    great come from behind!

  67. lbirken says:

    I would much rather win games such as happened today than lose them. It is easy to say the Dodgers should have a lead every game and win going away but that just is not going to happen with this team. I don’t find this boring.
    Frustrating and exasperating yes but certainly not boring.

    • Dodger4life says:

      Birk, I’m 900 miles away from Dodger Stadium. I live in a state (Idaho) where not many people care about baseball. All said and done I have about $250.00 invested in the team this season (, an on the field cap and a few shirts). I haven’t missed many games since 2008, a few to go fishing maybe… This season has been different. I’m not frustrated, I could generally care less for some reason. I find the games for the most part uninspiring and boring…I do enjoy listening to Vinny though. The games where he’s not around, they just aren’t the same. Maybe if I had season tickets, lived in So-Cal where many others around me follow the team and the team became topic of conversation with every opportunity, would I think different???

      Maybe the team will change my mind by rolling through this upcoming road trip against the Nationals, the Mets and the Braves. Maybe they will show that they can beat strong teams. Maybe they will show that they are a strong team as well. Maybe they will return home and beat up on those American League teams on the schedule. Maybe they will show some real dominance heading into the last month of the season against the division rivals? Maybe they will look like a team that can advance in the play-offs by seasons end??? Right now though, in my minds eye…I’m not seeing it. What I’m seeing is a team barely getting by thanks to the same weak play from their own division.

      This team is as organic as the food they’ve been eating. There isn’t a Trix Rabbit among the bunch…nobody’s going Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, try and find a colorful Toucan Sam. Ain’t nobody gonna shoot a Hungry-Man commercial in this dugout. Nope, these are Donnie’ guys and their play has been as inspiring as organic oatmeal and yogurt cheese.

  68. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Needless to say, I was happy to come home last night to see that the Dodgers had won and Kershaw made the ASG. Now it’s time for a good annual break and keep our fingers crossed that the team will be successful in the second part of this season and make the post season for the third year in a row.

  69. trublu4ever says:

    Zack is starting pitcher for AS game….Joc, playing left field will bat 8th.

  70. koufax1963 says:

    Has there ever been an All star, rookie or not, starter or not, that was not a pitcher, that made the starting line up with a 245 BA?
    Well it seems that Joc has.??

  71. kahliforni says:

    Joc came close, but no cigar in Home Run Derby.

    • trublu4ever says:

      He did a great job. Just wonder what would have happened if he could have rested between rounds like Frazier did?

  72. lbirken says:

    You could not have scripted the finish to the Home Run Derby any better for Reds fans. I must say I like this format a lot better.

  73. vl4eccjr says:

    I wonder if Frazier enjoyed his nap waiting on Joc?

  74. messagebear says:

    Joc did all the Dodger fans proud, and he showed character that I only wish a certain asshole would learn from. He may struggle at times to get through the first season, but I’m sure he is the real deal. And to me he is a DODGER.

    • JhallWally says:

      I totally agree… And, I hope the Dodgers rid themselves of that “certain asshole”.

      • The Beav says:

        That “certain asshole” did a lot better when he was allowed to play with reckless abandon. Infuriating at times, yes, but it was at the very least entertaining and was mostly productive. Two years later they’ve zapped all the heart out and have gotten less and less production.

        I was telling Eric the other day that it seems this happens to just about all but the most driven individuals like Kersh & Greinke. The longer they put on the uniform, the less and less they get out of the player. THAT I really believe has been a product of Joe & Little Joe, two of the most banal and uninspiring personalities ever to pilot a team.

  75. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I didn’t watch the Home Run Derby this year. I usually do when a Dodger is participating in it but this year I decided to skip it. I got home just in time to see Frazier win it. I guess I jinxed Joc.

  76. crash24now says:

    Joc had a good showing. Nice to see a rookie get up there and get the job done.

  77. lbirken says:

    Previous home run derbies have been a bit long and overdrawn so I can understand why some would choose not to watch. However, even though the new format may need some tweaks, it delivered on better drama and entertainment. Clearly this is a demanding event for the players but they seem to enjoy it.

    There has been a lot of interesting discussion about Puig. Vinny wonders if the absence of Ryu and Uribe has anything to do with Puig’s demeanor. Donnie has suggested Puig has not taken advantage of all the help available and yet the other day we saw images of Puig working with McGwire in early batting practice. Perhaps his teammates have grown tired of his approach and have made that clear and then we hear from radio people close to the team there are not any issues. For me the biggest issue is his lack of production at the plate and the fact he is not getting any better. (Will we be having a similar discussion about Pederson not getting better?) He is good enough to get by but can he ever get to the next level; that is can he become the consistent superstar we all desire? The Dodgers have a lot invested in him with regards to marketing but how long can the organization stay with that marketing? Just look at the results of this year’s home run derby and last year’s. Pederson commands respect while Puig may now be an afterthought. If the Dodgers can get something of great value for him would they trade him? I think I would.

  78. kahliforni says:

    Puig is coming off a major hamstring injury, followed by the callus problems in his hand. Bad hand, bad swing, bad results. For me, he’s still in Spring Training. Puig is a defensive presence, as is Pedersen. Before we run Puig out of town, how about we bring expectations back to normalcy and let him grow. All this talk of dissension (real or imagined) speaks once again to a clubhouse with leaks. That’s on Donnie and Andrew.

  79. oldbrooklynfan says:

    When Greinke gave up that HR to Trout it reminded me of when Gagne’ blew a save in an All-Star Game during the time he had his consecutive save streak. I remember he continued the streak after the second half began.

  80. lbirken says:

    I suppose Greinke did ok in the ASG but the rest of the Dodger contingent has a tough night.

  81. griz says:

    That group of Dodgers should have stayed home.

  82. The Beav says:

    Kersh did deserve to be on the AS team and got screwed by the HP Ump and had Pujols k’s. Only guy that really should’ve been there is Greinke, possibly Grandal. Joc certainly didn’t, and Agon was iffy. All played like I’d expect a Mattingly coached player to play. No one bothered to step up their game, just like in the playoffs.

    • trublu4ever says:

      Most of the NL squad looked like they didn’t belong there…very disappointing.

    • JhallWally says:

      I would rather they had taken Cueto and let Kersh rest… Our guys did not look like All-Stars…. Very disappointing…

      Our current team does not have a true alpha dog/leader among the regular players.. I see that as a huge disadvantage going forward…. Granted, in that absence, the manager needs to step in and pick it up… However, we have Joe Torre Jr (Dildon) who is clueless…

  83. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Losing home field advantage in the World Series is only important to the team that gets there. Right now we have no idea which one it might be.

  84. lbirken says:

    Some thoughts on the All Star Game: The tribute to the four so called greatest living baseball players and having Sandy Koufax throw out the first pitch to Johnny Bench, along with the player introductions, are the best parts of the event. These moments honor the game and its players past and present. The game itself becomes something of an afterthought except for winning league.

    I do think it is a bit silly to name a “winning” or “losing” pitcher and I agree that the DH should be used no matter where the game is played. The game is played pretty much the same as a regular season game except for all the subs. I do wonder if it is more difficult for the subs who get into the game late to bring their “A” game because except for pitchers, these players are used to playing every day and for the most part, starting almost every day. It does look as if the players do enjoy the experience.

    All that being said, I still want my team’s players to do well and I am disappointed when they do not. I do not think performance is an indication whether or not a player “deserves” to be there. Other pitchers gave up runs and many hitters struck out or failed to get a hit. It is just too bad that other than Grandal, every other Dodger who batted struck out and our two pitchers game up runs. At least Joc Pederson made a good showing in the home run derby.

    Time to move on to the rest of the season.

  85. koufax1963 says:

    What I thought was really cool is JOC’s Little brother meeting his hero Pujols. Alberts daughter has downs like Joc’s brother.
    I too enjoyed the tribute to the franchise four and the living legends.
    I am not a fan so much of the allstar game, especially with DH in place, but I understand its use in a All-star format, where shuffling of players is expected. There is 35 players on a team to get action.
    The Dodgers really stunk up that game! but get their lame baseball they played out of their system, be ready for the Nationals.
    What I really hope is Donnie had a good talk with Bochy about preparation and in game moves. But I doubt that happened, so at least, I hope Donnie gave Bochy an earful about using Zack for 2 innings, just to keep the rivalry fresh.
    Puig: some very interestsing perspectives on him shared here.
    the wild horse has been put in the corral this year, and those of you that think the dodgers are not exciting, rather mediogre,than look no further than the corral for one reason. NO Bubble Machine for another.

  86. kahliforni says:

    Classic Greinke…and equally clueless Donnie:

    “There was a recent game when I asked him how he was feeling,” Mattingly said. “And he said, ‘I don’t really want you to ask me. I want you to make the decision.’ I said, ‘Zack, Give me some help here.'”

    • The Beav says:

      Shit, we’d be 110% better off with Greinke as manager.

      I’ve no doubt that even if we won the WS this season and you guaranteed him $30M a year for the next 5 years that Greinke would still opt out just so he didn’t have to play under Mr. Decisive.

  87. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I hope it’s not to late for this, but I got a question. Off hand, does anyone know who was the last Dodger position player to get a hit in an All-Star game?

    • crash24now says:

      Andre Ethier (Every Day Dre!). Ethier singled in the fifth inning of the 2011 all star game, driving in a run. Matt Kemp also singled in the fourth inning of the 2011 all star game and scored a run. Ethier’s hit was more recent by one inning.

      The NL all stars won the 2011 game by a score of 5-1.

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