Dodgers in Colorado

Rollins Tulo

So Mattingly has finally dropped Rollins in the lineup, saving nearly one at bat per game for the better hitters.  What took him so long?  How long have we all been calling for this change?  Is he done flipping around the hitters?  Should a rookie with thirteen homers without the speed of a Rickey Henderson be batting lead-off?  Especially when he follows Rollins, AJ Ellis, and the pitcher, as he does today?

Hard to say.  Is another change coming?  Will Zach Lee be brought up to pitch the first game of tomorrow’s double header?  It sure seems that way, after he got pulled early from his Oklahoma City start the other day.  Good luck to him, given that his first start in the majors will be at Coors Field.


187 Responses to Dodgers in Colorado

  1. crash24now says:


    Pederson CF
    Turner 3B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Kendrick 2B
    Ethier RF
    Hernandez LF
    Rollins SS
    Ellis C
    Kershaw P

    What happened to Guerrero? When is Van Slyke coming back?

  2. crash24now says:

    OPS for tonight’s lineup:


    Ellis has really peaked out on the offensive suck-o-meter this year. Seems like he won’t be back next year.

  3. crash24now says:

    Ken Gurnick is saying that David Huff is the likely starter for the first game tomorrow.

  4. trublu4ever says:

    Thanks, Crash. To be honest, I think Alex is better off the bench….Scotty played yesterday….he’s been struggling with the bat lately too.

  5. The Beav says:

    Took a look at that last pitch to Turner yesterday… way too close to take, then get pissed because they call it a strike.

    Maybe if Mattingly had gone ballistic on their [the umps] asses rather than his old corn bread, “you know I’m right”, maybe they get a few more close calls the series. You gonna get yourself kicked out, make it count. Lasorda always did.

    As for the line-up, I don’t see how you can’t play Guerrero in Coors of all places. You play Little Pedro you at least lengthen the line-up one more player. And unless you’re going to have a deep line-up, why have Joc lead off when there will be absolutely no one on base ahead of his .933 OPS? Any pitcher alive is going to cruise 6-9 as it sits.

  6. crash24now says:

    Crawford’s on the 60-day DL and won’t be back until at least June 27th.

  7. messagebear says:

    The bottom half of the order is either way overdue or it’s going to kill us.

  8. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG Dre!!!

  9. oldbrooklynfan says:

    WTG ‘DRE

  10. trublu4ever says:

    That’s my Boy!

  11. oldbrooklynfan says:

    J ROLL.

  12. vl4eccjr says:


  13. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Arenado evens things up.

  14. trublu4ever says:

    Don’t worry….it’s Coors Field!

  15. vl4eccjr says:

    Kersh is on a mission tonight!

  16. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG Joc!!

  17. trublu4ever says:

    Now, this is the Coors I remember!

  18. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Peterson is really making a ROY run of it.

  19. The Beav says:

    Looks like they finally got Kersh some runs.

  20. oldbrooklynfan says:

    That’s a good time to put up a zero after the Dodger 6 run attack.

  21. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG Howie!
    AJ is on the outside looking in being the only Dodger going hitless.

  22. trublu4ever says:


  23. The Beav says:

    Greinke’s probably hoping they’d save some of this for him.

  24. The Beav says:

    Now this is the kind of game you bring Hatcher in.

  25. trublu4ever says:

    Huff and Puff is looking like shit!

    • The Beav says:

      HR Puff-n-stuff sucks. He sucked the last time he was up. DFA material if ever there was any. Must be going to need a roster spot soon.

      • trublu4ever says:

        Rumor has it that Wieland is pitching first game tomorrow….so, Huff is probably a goner….and, with Crawford moved to 60 day DL…who knows what else is in store.

  26. vl4eccjr says:

    AJ finally joins the hit parade!

  27. The Beav says:

    I’d have let Barnes have an AB.

  28. The Beav says:

    Howell just quietly goes about his business.

  29. trublu4ever says:

    One win down…3 more to go!

  30. vl4eccjr says:

    Nice game!
    Now I hope the hitting & run scoring continues through this series. After games like this, they usually go back into a funk. . .

  31. Dodger4life says:

    WE WIN!!!

  32. colliethec says:

    So I see that Nicasio is getting the start in Gm 1 tomorrow. You would think that Nicasio isn’t stretched out for more than a 2-3 innings and has been decent in the bully so why mess with that.

    Now you will burn through the pen in a second game of 4 at Coors which is when you need your bully – all the while you have Lee in the minors who is a starter and has been having a decent year. I don’t get this at all.

    • The Beav says:

      Sure seems like this FO doesn’t like Lee for some reason. I think Donnie’s dog would get a start ahead of Lee.

  33. griz says:

    Very nice, all those hits and runs. It would also be very nice if this started happening in places like San Francisco and St Louis a little later this season.

    • JhallWally says:

      Yep Griz, the Dodgers are going to have to go thru St Louis and/or San Francisco to get to the WS. Not to mention the Nationals… We need to start beating the better teams.. So far, we are just making hay on the weaker teams. This weekend vs St Louis would be a great place to start.. This team needs to show some grit. Unfortunately alot of that comes from the manager. And our manager just ain’t got “IT” or grit… JMO

  34. griz says:

    Yepper, Jhall!! I’m not down on Donnie so much, but until they start beating the above mentioned, I don’t see a reason to get overly excited.

  35. crash24now says:

    What is Nicasio’s pitch count for today? 30? 50? Doesn’t that screw the bullpen for both games, not to mention tomorrow and the next day?

    • trublu4ever says:

      I’ll bet they will put a shitty lineuup out there in game one to back him up too! Zack will get the regular lineup….so, to me, this is another one of Donnie’s throw away games.

      • crash24now says:

        Absolutely right, Tru!

        Pederson CF
        Heisey RF
        Gonzalez 1B
        Kendrick 2B
        Turner 3B
        Guerrero LF
        Hernandez SS
        Barnes C
        Nicasio P.

        • crash24now says:

          If you’re going to stick these guys in the field, why put Heisey in the 2-hole? Put JT there, move Little Pedro to #5, and then #6 through #9 don’t count anyway.

        • trublu4ever says:

          I just saw this 🙂

          • crash24now says:

            At least Donnie’s giving Barnes a chance, rather than sticking with the no-hit wonder named “2015 AJ Ellis”

  36. oldbrooklynfan says:

    This first game should be very interesting, especially for the fact that reliever Nicasio is starting. I truly expected a person who has been starting lately, even if they would’ve called someone up.

  37. trublu4ever says:

    Van Slyke on 15 day DL….damn!

  38. oldbrooklynfan says:

    1 1/2 games is better than a 1/2.

  39. crash24now says:

    Haha! Yahoo lists David Huff as the starting pitcher, but also lists Nicasio as #9 in the lineup. Donnie’s got them all confused.

  40. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Heisey’s up and down so often you hardly know he’s missing.

  41. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Joc Pederson is really loooking goood.

  42. crash24now says:

    Yeah Joc!!

  43. crash24now says:

    Nicasio out after 41 pitches. Only 7 innings to go.

  44. The Beav says:

    Heisey’s pretty much worthless. Glad Donnie sees fit to start him against lefties.

  45. The Beav says:

    Still don’t understand not calling up a starter from OKC rather than blowing out your bullpen in a double header at Coors.

  46. oldbrooklynfan says:


  47. crash24now says:

    Whoever wins this one is gonna score a lot of runs.

  48. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Good Eye AGon.

  49. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Charlie should stop saying Callaspo is one of the hardest guys to strike out.

  50. crash24now says:

    I’m not sure why teams don’t throw left handed pitchers at us 24/7.

  51. vl4eccjr says:

    Hatcher sucks!

  52. crash24now says:

    Four hits in Coors Field. That’s despicable.

  53. The Beav says:

    Thanks to Donnie Give-Away, they have no chance of sweeping a DH against a piss poor team. Now because you didn’t try and win game 1 you stand the chance of losing two.

    I hate Mattingly with a passion. As much as I ever hated Joe.

  54. The Beav says:

    Its fast becoming apparent to me that no matter what they say, this organization doesn’t play to win. Its just like with McCourt – they play to compete, and that’s bullshit.

  55. trublu4ever says:

    At first I was upset that the first game wasn’t televised ….. but, now I’m glad I didn’t have to see it! F**k you Donnie!

  56. vl4eccjr says:

    Just as I expected. Pretty much a dud offensive game after last night’s rout. . .

  57. messagebear says:

    I don’t know about “not playing to win”, but to the Guggenheims the primary interest is making money – winning or losing is inconsequential, just as long as a lot of money is made. The Dodger fans who fill the stadium pretty much show up and pay the price win or lose. Time Warner will keep paying the TV dollars whether they show the games to the overall fans or not. I hate the Guggenheims and personally think they should all be shot down in the streets, their money confiscated, and the team declared public property at large, then sold off to the fans. Frankly I’m also fed up with the high-power front office, who all obviously think that their shit don’t stink. They have yet to prove that $250 million can be managed to buy a World championship. I don’t know who owns the Cardinals or the poor schmuck who is their GM, or the same goes for our hated Giants, but they’ve at least proven that they know how to manage baseball – the game that is. The Guggenheims have so far only proven that they’re prime sheisters, in cahoots with MLB to drive up franchise value, that they know how to screw the fans, and that they are the quintessential assholes of major league sports – that,of course, is accomplishing quite a lot, so who am I to complain.

  58. dodgereric says:

    I don’t get too upset with a loss anymore. I figure that even if we win 110 games, we’d still lose a couple of games every week on average. I also will freely admit that there’s probably no chance at all of him constructing a starting lineup that I liked more than once a week.

    Having said that, I agree with Beav (I know – big surprise) regarding hating Donnie as much as Torre. Running 5 pitchers into the first game of a double header is one thing. Shit happens. But PLANNING on doing it beforehand is sheer stupidity. I’ll bet he was actually thinking that he can get away with one less pitcher because he was counting on the Rockies not hitting in the bottom of the ninth. Nicasio started 14 games for them just last year, you’d think he could pitch more than 2 innings today. Whatever happened to “long men”? Is no one capable of pitching more, other than your starters? That’s exactly why you’d have a guy like Nicasio on your roster, to give you 4-5 innings on a moment’s notice. Unless you’re Joe Tor……uh……Don Mattingly.

    I’m also sick and tired of him constantly “resting” players that don’t need to rest. IT’S ONLY THE START OF JUNE FOR PETE’S SAKE! These are all young men. Even the “old vets” like AGon are only what, 35? Shit, I was still working hard every friggin’ day digging holes in the ground and wrestling jackhammers and welding pipe together well into my 50s. Nobody was too concerned about giving me any rest, and I guarantee I was working harder than playing baseball a couple of hours a day for half the year. Oh, that’s right. They have to take batting practice too. And ride on airplanes. How exhausting.

    I know I sound like some bitter old man and I’m really not. OK, I’m old, but I’m not bitter. I’m just not buying into how physically hard it is to play baseball. How many times did Lasorda bench Garvey/Lopes/Russell/Cey to “rest” them? I’ll bet he would have read them the riot act first. I’ll also bet that the times any one of them weren’t in the lineup was because of a muscle pull or a bone bruise or a slump.

    What about the old Big Red Machine? I’m betting that Rose/Morgan/Perez/Bench et al didn’t get rested much either. And that goes for almost all of the old timers, at least the ones that SHOULD be playing EVERY DAY. Reserves are just that – they’re reserves because they’re not good enough to start. They’re missing something that the starters have, and that can be enough to turn a win into a loss.

    I watch the LA Kings trot out the same 18 skaters almost every game all year long and they go out and bust their asses for the entire game. And they’re no different from every other team in the league. The only time they’re ‘rested’ is when they can’t skate the next morning from a concussion or a torn muscle. NBA players – the same thing. What makes them different? Conditioning. And if baseball players are tired after less than a third of the season has gone by and we haven’t seen the beginning of hot weather, their conditioning is bad. Whose fault is that? One guess. The same as the people who can’t seem to teach them how not to get picked off base or who can’t decide when to send the runner in from third.

    Yes, we have a winning record. Yes, we’ll probably make the playoffs. So what? We win more than half our games in spite of that idiot and his coaching staff. Screwy lineups, bad baserunning, bad base coaching, bad pitching changes, bad in-game managing. I personally don’t remember questioning any Dodger manager anywhere near the frequency I do with Torre and son. A World Series victory with our current manager can only happen by a default. Or another miracle like in ’88.

    We should be trying to win every game. It’s not possible, but you should try. We obviously conceded this one before it started. Bah.

    • lbirken says:

      The game has changed so much since the days of Garvey, Lopes, Cry and Russell. I don’t dwell on it and just accept it. I think fans have a tendency to forget the physical and mental challenges facing pro athletes. I know many people work hard everyday without all the perks enjoyed by players but for the most part, few people end up with their workday scrutinized by 24 hours of talk shows, highlights and constant criticism. I am not making excuses; I expect every player to give maximum effort every day just as you do. I also agree that every game is important and should be played with the intent of winning.

    • JhallWally says:

      Hi’Ya Dad… Nice post and spot on!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. lbirken says:

    I think Guggenheim is a big improvement over the previous regime but I too am not impressed by the money, analytics, or so power of specific owners. The results on the field will say everything about how successful the organization is as far as fans are concerned.

    I agree I would rather have Ethier than Heisey but we do have to factor in there are two games today.

  60. crash24now says:

    Game 2 Lineup

    Pederson CF
    Hernandez 2B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Grandal C
    Ethier RF
    Callaspo 3B
    Rollins SS
    Heisey LF
    Greinke P

  61. crash24now says:

    I guess only Pederson, Hernandez, Gonzalez, and Heisey can play two games in one day.

    Like Eric said.

    Or, like Ernie Banks said “Let’s play two”!

  62. crash24now says:

    Don Newcombe not only started both games of a double-header, but pitched a complete game shutout in the first game, then pitched seven innings into the second game.

    “The last time a starting pitcher had substantial work in both games of a doubleheader was a remarkable performance by Brooklyn’s Don Newcombe on September 6, 1950. The Dodgers swept a doubleheader at Philadelphia, although Newcombe did not get credit for the win in the second game. According to Joe King’s story in The Sporting News, Newcombe and Dodger manager Burt Shotton had talked about the prospect of his pitching both games of the twin bill on the train down to Philadelphia, with the Dodgers entering the series 7-1/2 games behind the Phils. King wrote that Shotton told Newcombe, “You can do two if you pitch a shutout in the opener.” Newk blanked the Phillies on three hits in the first game, which lasted just 2 hours 15 minutes, and he got the green light to keep going. “I figured he was hot right then and ought to try again,” Shotton said, according to King. Newcombe allowed just two runs over seven innings in the nightcap — giving him 16 innings pitched on the day — but was trailing 2-0 when he was lifted for a pinch-hitter in the eighth. The Dodgers then rallied with three runs in the ninth to win.”

    • crash24now says:

      One of the pitchers from this article:

      Urban Shocker

      Gotta love some of those old baseball names.

  63. kahliforni says:

    Who starts a guy just recalled from AAA (ie. not good enough to make the 25-man roster) and plays him both games of a double header in lieu of Guerrero and/or Ethier? If I’m Guerrero, I bite off a piece of Mattingly’s ear. Funny, for a winning team, there is so much to dislike about this entire organization.

    • crash24now says:

      Guerrero has hit 9 homers in 99 plate appearances. That’s one for every 11 times he comes to the plate!

      Whatever happened to having your “power mashers” bat 3/4/5? How about a lineup that looks something like:


  64. oldbrooklynfan says:


  65. oldbrooklynfan says:


  66. The Beav says:

    Too bad no one’s hardly ever on for the teams best HR hitter. Perhaps it might be better if he batted a little lower in the line-up.

    Nah, too logical.

  67. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Homerun derby…now AGON

  68. The Beav says:

    Not that I mind the runs, but all these HRs just encourage Donnie to play more AL ball.

  69. oldbrooklynfan says:

    This might be one of those Coors Field games.

  70. lbirken says:

    Looks like another Coors Field game.

  71. Dodger4life says:

    Don’t you people ever get tired of watching baseball?

    • Dodger4life says:

      Seager gets another clutch hit in OKC. It was merely an RBI single to pull within 1 run of Sac.

      SAC 3 – OKC 2

  72. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Needless to say, Greinke’s way out of wack.

  73. vl4eccjr says:

    So now they’re afraid to throw fastballs to Joc. Nice to see he made the adjustment on the diet of change ups he was dealt.

  74. oldbrooklynfan says:

    It looks like Joc makes a big difference with this team.

  75. vl4eccjr says:

    Somebody plug the humidor back in.

  76. vl4eccjr says:


  77. The Beav says:

    Who couldn’t have foreseen this happening after you don’t play to win game 1, then throw a crap line-up out there again for game 2? Pretty sad when you can’t even beat the friggin Rockies.

    I’m done with Donnie ball. This team’s F U K T fukt.

  78. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG Alex!!!

  79. oldbrooklynfan says:


  80. trublu4ever says:

    The boys were waiting for me to get home!

  81. 32and53fan says:

    I had a feeling Guerrero might hit one out.

  82. Dodger4life says:

    Let me know when Heisey does that!!!

  83. koufax1963 says:

    you got to believe! GO DODGERS!

  84. vl4eccjr says:

    Now we’ll see if lightning can strike twice with Callaspo.

  85. crash24now says:

    That is why Guerrero should be in the middle of the lineup every game.

  86. trublu4ever says:


  87. vl4eccjr says:


  88. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Talk about a roller coaster ride…………………YES!!!

  89. Dodger4life says:

    WE WIN!!

  90. trublu4ever says:

    Wow…..awesome come from behind win!

  91. vl4eccjr says:

    Kenley has been lights out!!

  92. kahliforni says:

    With Crawford, Puig and Van Slyke out, why is it even a brain stumper for Mattingly to write in Guerrero’s name every day and see how he does?

  93. Dodger4life says:

    Hey enchanted…Pederson just hit that target of 16 HR you set for the season a month ago… you may want to set another one?

  94. trublu4ever says:

    The winner of the game… his first Dodger appearance …… Josh Ravin….striking out one batter.

  95. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo!! Win Streak!! Or it would have been if Dildon had not pissed away the first game with his incredibly inept lineup. Geez!
    What a moron…………………………..

    • trublu4ever says:

      We could have had at least a 5 or 6 game lead if he knew what he was doing…..just the games against the Giants, which he blew with his dumb ass lineups, killed us ….and, he is damn lucky we are still in first place.

      • oldbrooklynfan says:

        I don’t know if I’d call it luck. The Dodgers holding on to first place, like this. I don’t know what I’d call it. I have to admit F&Z aren’t doing a bad job with the changes they’re making.

        • crash24now says:

          F&Z good changes:

          -Kendrick has been solid
          -Grandal has really improved offense production from catcher
          -Bullpen is much improved from last year
          -Bolsinger has done well, coming from F&Z depth charts

          F&Z not so good changes

          -Rollins not good offensively, though solid defensively
          -McCarthy blew out his elbow way too soon

          Other changes that F&Z weren’t involved in:

          -Pederson has been amazing
          -Guerrero has been amazing (but not on defense)
          -Ryu injury really hurts the team

          All in all, the team is winning, because F&Z have made good changes.

          We still need to trade for a very good starting pitcher by July 31st, in order to compete in the playoffs.

          • 32and53fan says:

            F&Z unloaded Kemp, allowing them to spend money on needed pitchers and open a spot for Pedersen.

          • crash24now says:

            Kemp has been horrible so far with the Padres. OPS is .599 (lower than Rollins!)

  96. crash24now says:

    Pederson CF
    Turner 3B
    Gonzalez 1B
    Kendrick 2B
    Ethier RF
    Grandal C
    Guerrero LF
    Rollins SS
    Bolsinger P

  97. griz says:

    Our boy Joc is turning into a one man wrecking crew, or at least that is what the Rox announcers call him. Even with the loooong home runs, I was most impressed with his triple last night: got fooled, way out in front and still drove it deep into the gap. I’ve been wondering just when he will start to bat in the heart of the order. Donnie has to bat someone first and since there is no true lead off hitter, although Rollins’ BA is on the rise, you might as well get one of your better hitters the extra at bats.

  98. trublu4ever says:

    Crap….it’s pouring in Denver! I hate that place!!!!

  99. vl4eccjr says:

    Congrats to the Pirates on sweeping the Vagiants!!

  100. Dodger4life says:

    We remain in weather delay with no further update at this time. @rockies.

  101. vl4eccjr says:

    Hail yeah!

  102. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I’m informed that the game will start at 10:20 PM ET, 10 minutes later than the usual time from LA.

  103. vl4eccjr says:

    Holy shit! These guys will be doing the back stroke before too long.

  104. lbirken says:

    OBF, my hat’s off to you for staying up for these games played so late in your time zone.

  105. trublu4ever says:

    I honestly think it’s unfair to us to not postpone this game…we do have a game tomorrow…..lots of teams don’t. It’s dangerous out there and someone could get hurt….and we don’t need another injured player!

    • Dodger4life says:

      It’s a good thing they were able to get this game in tru…they don’t come back to Colorado until Sept 25th. 9 days before the season ends.

  106. lbirken says:

    Could the Dodgers add a Colorado rain out to the snowed out game?

  107. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Another battle.

  108. Dodger4life says:

    We need a RALLY!!

  109. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Good clutch hitting by Andre’.

  110. trublu4ever says:

    Woo-hoo….Dre 2 rbis!

  111. trublu4ever says:

    Josh Ravin throws heat….I think he’s a keeper! No room for Hatcher any more!

  112. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I was wondering if Pederson could keep his streak alive.

  113. crash24now says:

    The tornado watch is over, so Joc hits one out!

  114. oldbrooklynfan says:

    This doesn’t look good.

  115. crash24now says:

    Ruh Roh! Where is Jansen?

  116. Dodger4life says:



  117. 32and53fan says:


  118. Dodger4life says:

    Hatcher the Horrible!!

  119. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I guess they didn’t want it.

  120. Dodger4life says:

    I can’t wait to hear Mattingly make more excuses…
    all times ET
    Andrew Friedman
    President of Baseball Operations
    LA Dodgers

  121. 32and53fan says:

    Kenley must be either hurt… or sick.
    Yimi was totally wild. Hope Grandal’s concussion didn’t contribute to passed ball.

  122. griz says:

    What with the rain delay, I wasn’t up to see the end of the game and got up this morning to see some of our best had pitched in the ninth. I realize Jansen can’t pitch every day (where’s Mike Marshall when we really need him) but then again I don’t see the point of giving away games like this one. CHRIST ON CRUTCHES!!!!!!!!

  123. JhallWally says:

    Unacceptably Pathetic!!! So much for our new and improved bullpen… I guess they need to go back to the drawing board. There is a lot of work to be done.. This team as it is now constituted is not a WS contender. They are barely an NL West contender… Sorry folks. This team just doesn’t have it. Starting with the manager. I just hope the powers that be can right the ship.

    • JhallWally says:

      I certainly hope Kenley has a good excuse for not being available last night. I am begining to question his grit and desire.

  124. crash24now says:

    I heard a rumor that Kenley had a re-occurence of irregular heartbeat. I hope that’s not true. I hope he just had the flu or something. I can’t imagine if Kenley goes down – the whole bullpen will implode.

  125. crash24now says:

    If it’s a condition brought on by high altitude, then no problem. We’re not likely going to Denver for the playoffs. Just keep Jansen away from there.

  126. crash24now says:

    Rosenthal: Jansen issue dehydration, not likely heart-related.

  127. oldbrooklynfan says:

    It is a mystery that Jansen didn’t come in last night. We’ll soon find out. We have to know.
    The Dodgers have two things in their favor tonight:
    (1) They’re at home.
    (2) This is not the Post Season.

  128. lbirken says:

    The boys gave back the game they stole the other night.

    • crash24now says:

      Blackmon’s double was huge.

      Yimi got the yips (again). He’s not ready for prime time. He should be pitching in the sixth or seventh innings, not in the ninth.

      • trublu4ever says:

        And, Hatcher….NEVER AGAIN!

        • crash24now says:

          I don’t blame Hatcher for last night. He was in a no-win situation – bases loaded no outs tie score. All he did was throw strikes. The only thing he could have done better was to induce a ground ball – that was his job, he didn’t get it done. The three pitchers before him were worse, at least last night.

          I definitely do agree that Hatcher should not be in the game when the game is on the line. He has been terrible all year. He should be the mop-up guy.

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