There you go again…

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  1. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Giants and Cards in NLCS.

  2. messagebear says:

    Some teams know how to play in October and have managers who know how to handle the play-offs – unfortunately ours is clearly not one of them. When you lose 3 out of 4 play-off games with a $240 million payroll it should tell you that what you bought wasn’t a team.

  3. griz says:

    I saw something after the game last night I thought spoke to our situation. A week ago we went over to Grand Junction a saw George Thorogood, who puts on a helluva show. We loved it. It turns out he and some of his original band members played semi-pro ball until their music got popular enough to do it full time. His brand of rock n’ roll is based in the blues and that’s why he thinks it resonates with people. George further explained, “Life’s unfair. I mean how many times does your team win the world series?”

  4. griz says:

    I do not think I’ll be watching the giants and cards very much. I’ll probably just hope for injuries.

  5. kahliforni says:

    griz, it is depressing to think of the Gnats and Cruds in the NLCS, but honestly, it’ll be a great series. Both teams deserve to be there. Bochy and Matheny, both ex-NL catchers, not only inspire their players, but also understand the nuances of the NL-style of baseball. Dodgers have an ex-AL first baseman running (pardon the irony) the show, learning (or not) on the fly, and an ex-media relations guy crafting a roster. The Guggenheims got what they deserved–from the TV debacle to the underachieving, high-priced roster of fragile egos. No grit…no leadership…no intangibles—the sum equalling far less than the parts. I’m pretty disgusted with the whole ball of wax right now. There had better be big changes. And soon. 26 years…and counting.

  6. JhallWally says:

    Bottom Line,,,, UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! The bullpen is crap, the offense sucks…. Kersh deserves some freaking support…. One man can’t carry the whole load… This Ned team, let him down…

    Ned should be the first to go…..

    • trublu4ever says:

      What I really resent is people calling out Kersh! Things like choker….FU Kersh…he’s no longer our Ace…,,,well, I say shut the F*** up…..CC, Puig, Gordon sucked plenty and, once again Donnie fucked up not knowing how to run a team!

  7. messagebear says:

    I’ve enjoyed watching the Royals so far in the play-offs. Doubt if their payroll is a quarter of ours, but they’re obviously a team with desire, not just talent. If they get to the Big Game, I’ll gladly root for them, even though my usual allegiance has been with the NL team. Might even follow them for a year or two – I’m just so fed up with the whole McCourt/ Guggenheim post bankruptcy era of Dodgers’ history. Of course Selig ought to be shot along with a few well placed names in our ownership/ management.

  8. crash24now says:

    Blame #1 needs to go to Ned Colletti for not putting together a bullpen that Donnie could trust.

    Blame #2 needs to go to Donnie for not knowing how to manage a team, put together lineups, in-game decisions, etc.

    Get rid of Ned and Donnie now! Do it today!

  9. trublu4ever says:

    Good grief….Brian Wilson exercised his option for 2015.

    • crash24now says:

      I would trade him for an “A” league pitcher and eat all his salary just to have him off of our roster.

    • kahliforni says:

      I still like Brian Wilson. Maybe I’m brain dead. He may not have lived up to expectations, but his arm will only get stronger and, if used in a proper role, can help. I’m a firm believer in putting someone in a position to succeed, not shoe-horning a player into a spot where failure looms. Plus, he knows how to win, something NO ONE else on this current roster knows how to do, including Ned and Donnie!!!

  10. oldbrooklynfan says:

    My mind went all the way back to 1954, when I was sick over the fact, that the Dodgers were going year after year after that illusive World Championship and the Giants went right in and took it.
    Now exactly 60 years later, the Dodgers can’t buy a World Championship and the Giants look like they’re on their way to a third in 5 years. It could happen. If they do, this blog will be rockin’.

  11. griz says:

    Calling out Kershaw is just plain wrong. He didn’t get the needed support. People forgot how to slide, swung at pitches out of the strike zone, or just plain whiffed. This certainly isn’t on Clayton.

  12. lbirken says:

    I think Bill Plaschke said it all in his L.A. Times column today, basically calling out the Guggenheim folks for the TV money grab that resulted in most fans not being able to watch the Dodgers. I for one am not angry or mad, just disappointed that once again the Dodgers have come up short in post season. This organization has a long history of post season/playoff disappointments marred not just by losses but by bitter losses on timely home runs against them when ahead late in games. You all know the history. The fact that this happened again with arguably the best pitcher in the game on the mound is just downright unexplainable. And the fact that the Giants are still in the playoffs makes all of this even worse for Dodger fans.

    So what happened? Pretty much the same thing that has plagued the Dodgers all season. I have no idea at the actual number or if it is even meaningful but it seemed to me the Dodgers scored a lot of runs during the season while giving up an out whether by sacrifice, groundout, or hitting into a double play. While it is considered good to manufacture runs, often these plays prevented opportunities for more runs. It also seemed the Dodgers made a lot of outs on the base paths. We all agree the bullpen had issues all season but to me the biggest problem was not on the mound but at the plate. How often did Dodger hitters come up with the big hit during the playoffs or season? How often did it seem the opposing pitcher seemed better prepared than the batters? How often did it seem Dodger hitters, knowing what is coming, could not make the adjustments? How often did Mattingly remove Hanley late in a game for defensive purposes with a lead only to have the opposition tie or go ahead (or the game go into extra innings) and then have his spot come up later with a weak hitting Rojas?

    So what is next? I am not too concerned about Kershaw coming back strong as ever and putting the playoffs behind him. He is too competitive to let this affect him. I am not going to get into the argument about whether Ned and Donnie or the coaching staff should continue in their respective positions. I do understand something needs to change but I suspect both will be back. We will see. I still think the Dodger brass was indecisive about Donnie after last season and those discussions will continue. Dee Gordon had a good season but could not finish. He needs to get even better and stronger. The real issue is shortstop. As much as I like Hanley, I think it is time to cut ties with him and perhaps take the risk that Seager is ready for the big leagues. Hanley just has too much baggage to bring him back. I think Agon will be at first base again and I am ok with that. Kemp made a terrific comeback and I am excited that he will enter spring training healthy and hopefully hungry. The Dodgers have to decide what to do with Ethier. And then there is Puig, the most enigmatic player in the organization. Somehow they need to find a way to get Puig’s head straight. Much to his credit he accepted the blame for not being able to adjust to what the Cardinal pitchers were doing to him. He is an exciting player, fun to watch, and may never “get it” but still has so much upside.

    I do have to admit that even though I am disappointed the season has ended, it was an exciting and entertaining experience to follow the Dodgers this season. The enthusiasm from the fans at the stadium was great. I noticed fewer fans leaving early from games and in spite of reports that baseball interest is declining, the Dodgers drew 3.6 million fans. Of course, I am of the age where almost everyone looks younger than me but I noticed a lot of young people and children attending games so the future looks bright. After all, this game is meant to be entertaining. The Dodgers play in an old but still beautiful stadium. And at least for one more season we still have Vin Scully.

  13. griz says:

    Great post, lbirk. it’s a long haul to February, but how all this develops until then will be interesting.

  14. kahliforni says:

    lbirk, I always enjoy what’s on your mind and respect your baseball knowledge. As you know, my beef always seems to lead back to Donnie and Ned. I have no disdain for either man. But the “culture” of this team…the “flavor,” whatever it is I can’t seem to put my finger on, isn’t, in my opinion, going to change with a roster tweak or even a roster overhaul (which I don’t believe is necessary). Like the old cliché, I just think it’s time for a different voice in the room.

  15. messagebear says:

    It comes back to the same old question – after you become a new owner and pay a staggering $2 billion for the privilege, what compelling reason can you possibly find to keep the same 2 head managerial guys from the previous regime? Would you please learn already that it was a mistake to do so. I would have wiped out everybody in the old establishment, just on principle, and throw out all the old furniture too.

  16. zonadodger says:

    Hope Ned is out

  17. zonadodger says:

    Unfortunately i think donnie stays but who knows

  18. trublu4ever says:

    I still think they are both out!

  19. Dodger4life says:

    I didn’t watch the last playoff game…I did see Kershaw’s hanging curve to Adams…Kersh seemed to struggle a bit with his curve in the last few games, not just during the playoffs…just my opinion…That’s the pitch that separates him from the rest…again my opinion…. He has to bring the best of his best, to win in the post season. What ever caused it, I’m certain he will figure out.

  20. Dodger4life says:

    Am I the only one that believes…Tommy would have fired Puig up…not sat him down….

    • Dodger4life says:

      Tommy would have had the ”Wild Horse”, believing, he was the liveliest ”Brahma” ever to enter the corral…

  21. Dodger4life says:

    I just hung my 2014 cap, upon the wall…

    Looking forward to 2015….

  22. griz says:

    The news about Wilson is not the way to start the off season.

  23. JhallWally says:

    I cannot blame Kersh for this latest implosion… Our bullpen sucks… More importantly, our offense did not get the job done… They all sucked… AGon, HRam, Kemp, Uribe, Gordon, and Puig… AJEllis did OK… That’s about it… The offense dropped the ball big time……

    This team needs a total overhaul, from the top down… They just don’t have the “it” factor…..

  24. messagebear says:

    And they’re not really a TEAM, no matter how many chest bumps they perform in the outfield.

  25. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I’ve been rarely this positive going into the postseason. I truly thought that the Dodgers would be very successful this year. It’s hard to get over this shocking loss, in which they were completely dominated by the Cardinals. No doubt heads will roll.

  26. lbirken says:

    I was listening to the Dan Patrick show yesterday and caught part of an interview with Ken Rosenthal. As a side note, I watched the last two games of the series against the Cards with the TV sound muted so I could listen to Vin. I still find it silly that it takes 4 people to tell me what is happening at any sporting event but that is another issue for another time. Anyway, I don’t know what he may have said during the broadcast but apparently he wrote something later about what it is about the Cardinals that makes them so successful. After saying he really does not know, he made the interesting comment that the culture in the organization from top to bottom emphasizes winning. He also said all organizations emphasize winning but for some reason, the Cardinals have the results. The impressive part about the Cardinals is they have changed managers, coaches and players but they continue to win. I believe the stability of ownership and upper management has a lot to do with it although other organizations can make the same claim about stability.

    My point is the Dodgers used to be the model of success on how to run a baseball team. While players changed, ownership and management, both on and off the field, remained stable for a long time. All of that changed when Tommy Lasorda resigned which was followed a few years later with the sale to Fox. We all suffered through Fox ownership, who traded Mike Piazza for the wrong reasons, the McCourt fiasco which is well known for its broken promises and failure to restore the franchise, and all the turmoil and on field management changes that dramatically changed the Dodgers from a highly successful and respected organization to something else.

    I realize the jury is still out on Guggenheim. I have some doubts myself. However, even with the disappointments of the past two seasons, the Dodger luster has been restored to some degree. Look at all the Dodger blue when the team plays in other cities. The media no longer talks about the Dodger ownership problems or off field stuff. The expectations are high. Guggenheim spent money on trying to improve the fan experience at Dodger Stadium.

    Clearly, there are still big challenges for this organization. That “it factor” (however “it” might be defined) is missing but not impossible to attain. It might take some bold decisions to make it happen and it might take some time. There is still a core of decent talent on this roster, at least for the short term. It will be interesting watching this process.

  27. enchantedbeaver says:

    I didn’t have much regard for this team all season, so an early exit wasn’t much of a disappointment, more of an expectation. Winners this team not be. I think Kahli elucidated that this team is less than the sum of its parts. Truer words were never spoken.

    I’ve always believed teams are a reflection of their manager. Looking upon this team the last 7 years, I still do. They play to the rather banal personality of Joe II, a talented fellow who never won anything himself as a player, and who has been handed a talented bunch of fellows that can’t win anything either. Its the blind leading the blind. Much like Donnie waits around for the 6-run home run that never comes, his teams seem to all wait around for the other guy to step up, which of course they never do. Its a paralysis that I think would benefit by a stronger leader and maybe some shock therapy.

    Then there’s Ned, who in 8 years still has not built a complete team. Good enough to win a [usually] weak division, but always missing the key components to advance past the elite teams in the league. Ned never has gotten “IT”, so its no wonder none of his teams has ever had the “IT” factor. He’s great at handing out big dollar contracts, but light on expectations and demanding they be earned (or warranted in many cases.) Funny the Giants have won 2 WS (maybe 3?) since he left the organization. Perhaps Sabean has gotten “smarter” without Ned’s input.

    As for the rest, they can give all the lip service they want about winning and tradition, but don’t talk the talk if you can’t walk the walk.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      If you knew all season long that that this team wouldn’t make it through the first round than you know a lot more than I do. A lot more.

      • 32and53fan says:

        I thought they could make it to the NLCS and a 50/50 chance of reaching the World Series. Nobody could have predicted that Kershaw would throw just one mistake pitch in an otherwise stellar performance, and Matt Adams, who has trouble with the curve, recognized the hanger and smoked it. One could predict however that the Dodgers couldn’t score 2 measly runs with 6 outs left.
        Anything can happen in a short series. Sometimes the lucky team wins.

        • JhallWally says:

          Everyone is jumping on Kersh for giving up some runs… Why are we not looking at the obvious shortcomings on this team… The offense sucked.. They flat out failed… And, the bullpen sucked… Dildon had no faith in them and left Kersh in too long… And then they come in and implode….
          Ned needs to be held accountable for this dysfunctional, underperforming, overpaid, and unacceptable performance…..

          • oldbrooklynfan says:

            You could replace Ned but unless you find a fantastic GM. One that is someone that can predict the future or is nearly a fortune teller, what difference would it make?
            First of all Dodger ownership will have to be very knowledgeable to find this GM.
            I don’t think just replacing him with somebody else will be the answer to our problems.
            The Dodgers have won almost 200 regular season game( 186) and 6 postseason games in the last two years. Not bad, if you ask me. They’re just missing that “IT” or what ever you call it to get to where we want them to go.
            Oh Yes, there’s somebody out there but who and where is he?
            I think Luck plays a big part too.
            Good Luck in finding him.

      • enchantedbeaver says:

        Not sure where you’re getting that I said I knew all season long they’d lose in the first round OBF. What I said was, I didn’t have much regard for this team all season and that losing in the first round was more expected than a disappointment.

        Same players. Same manager. Same GM.

        Same results.

  28. kahliforni says:

    Believe nothing…rumors run rampant as sports writers scramble to be relevant, but end up looking like idiots… I embrace the first rumor and laugh at the second.

    “The Dodgers could be targeting Andrew Friedman, the general manager of the Tampa Bay Rays, as a replacement (for Colletti).”

    “On Thursday, George Ofman of WBBM Newsradio in Chicago, said the Dodgers were shopping Puig and the Cubs are among those interested. Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News suggested the Oakland Athletics could make a run at the Dodgers’ center fielder, albeit in a surprising move.”

  29. lbirken says:

    I too pay little attention to the rumors spread by media talking heads who usually refer to “unnamed sources”. We have been surprised many times by moves no one talked about or suspected.

    While the Dodgers have done “well” the past two seasons by winning the division, how can anyone be satisfied with this accomplishment? Yes, it means something to reach the playoffs on a consistent basis and I hope this trend continues but it is not enough. I believe everyone in the organization would agree. So it should come as no surprise that the GM and field manager would come under scrutiny. All teams have bad contracts; the challenge is to overcome them when they happen. I am sure the commitment to win leads to some of these deals even if some of them are head scratchers. I assume someone higher than Ned has to approve these deals but those folks seldom are held accountable. So let the finger pointing begin.

  30. messagebear says:

    I’d fire Ned, because firing one is better than firing none!
    I’d extend a qualifying offer to Ramirez, but no more than that one year.
    I’d send Puig to play some winter ball under a manager who hopefully can put his head together.
    I’d make sure that I trade Ethier and Crawford both – neither of them has any good future with the Dodgers. I’d make sure to play VanSlyke regularly and let Pederson break into the lineup next year.
    Get rid of the BEARD – I always hated his guts, no matter the uniform.
    I’d tell Donnie – make the World Series in 2015, or you’re GONE.

  31. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I think the team we have is capable of going deeper in the postseason even getting to the World Series but it just didn’t play well enough to win.

  32. messagebear says:

    Go Blue – Go ROYALS!

  33. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I can’t believe I’m rooting for the Giants. I just can’t help hating the Cardinals more.

  34. lbirken says:

    I cannot root for the Giants even if it means wanting the Cards to win. I have to draw the line somewhere.

  35. oldbrooklynfan says:

    In tonight’s game someone said that both the Giants and the Cards were cut from the same cloth. Losing Molina may hurt the Cards as they go to SF tied. IMO they’re damned good ball clubs and tough to beat.

    • 32and53fan says:

      They have whatever that “it” is that the Dodgers lack. Lots of good players (playing as a team) > big ego superstars (playing for their own stats.)

      Maybe they need a new GM and manager who will take the Al Campania book “The Dodger’s Way to Play Baseball” and update it for the 21st century. Give a copy to every Dodger, starting with the Rookie League all the way to the major league. Have Spanish, Japanese, and Korean versions available. Include classroom work (including exams) in addition to regular training.
      Give out certificates of completion upon passing a rigorous test. Don’t promote players to the next level until they prove that they understand the fundamentals of the game.

      Average Joes making less than $50,000 have to earn certificates in their fields before they are hired.
      Is it really too much to ask guys making a minimum of $500k to earn a “Certified MLB Player” diploma before getting the privilege of playing at that level? I know this seems crazy, and lots of old school baseball players and coaches are spinning in their graves upon hearing this, but it might prevent the type of boneheaded plays we have seen in recent years.

      The Giants and Cardinals have mastered “The Dodger’s Way to Play Baseball”. Too bad the Dodgers haven’t.

      • trublu4ever says:

        Amen to this!

      • enchantedbeaver says:

        Pre WS title(s) Gnat assistant GM.

        Never won anything Yankee 1B manager.

        Big series (sans one) losing Brave president.

        Basketball star glad hander.

        Surprised if any could spell Dodger let alone teach the Dodger way.

        • JhallWally says:

          Well, my brother, you and I and Tru pretty much knew that the Dodgers would not win a WS with Nedcompoop… Much less, with a sycophant manager like Dildon… We’ve been saying it for years… It is time for a big change…..

          • oldbrooklynfan says:

            Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and here’s mine. I think the problem lies with the scouts or whoever it is that look for these players in colleges and high schools or on the sand lots.
            What I see with some of these teams like the Giants and Cards are young players that have just come up and are major league ready, They’re fantastic players and blend in with the older players on the team.
            If I didn’t follow these team on a regular bases, I’d never know that most of them are rookies.
            Where do they find guys like Panik, Duffy, Wacha, Grichuk Kolten Wong just to name a few?
            They just don’t look new to me.
            The Dodgers on the other hand come up with the likes of Jerry Sands, Andy Laroche and now this kid Pederson, it’s hard to imagine him hitting 30HR and stealing 30 bases in the PCL. How come he looks so “Newish”, like he never saw a baseball before?
            Yes Matt Kemp was a good find and Dee Gordon is finally coming into his own but other than that the Dodgers have no choice but get cast offs from other teams to compete.
            Yes the Dodgers have had a few good regular seasons lately, thanks mostly to players they’ve gotten from outside their organization but some how it seems like the other teams that come up with their own players are more successful.
            Whether they develop them better on the farm or know who they’re signing, they seem to be dong a better job.
            Well that’s my opinion, based on what I’m observing.

          • enchantedbeaver says:

            Yup, can’t win when you can’t ever build a complete team. Started off the season with a piss poor bench and finished the year with a piss poor bullpen. Add a manager that doesn’t know shit from shinola, and…

            I got to wondering the other day though how much Ned was really willing to overpay in prospects to shore up the bullpen and Kasten wouldn’t let him. We all know the Ned premium when it comes to prospects, and all the other GMs know it too. Look at what other GMs are able to get for 1/3 the price in prospects. Every GM in the business knows they can fleece Ned, and I would hope that someday Kasten and the boys see that Ned’s a liability just from that standpoint, let alone he can’t evaluate talent any better than Donnie manages.

  36. kahliforni says:

    I have great faith in Logan White, who is in charge of domestic scouting. Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp are two names that come to mind. Not sure who is in charge of International, but Puig and Ryu were also nice little finds. So I don’t see personnel as the problem. It’s how one puts the pieces together; like in art, it’s the composition that matters. And because baseball teams are made of real breathing people, things like attitude, fortitude, and grit have to come into play. And that attitude includes GMs and field managers.

  37. lbirken says:

    I used to have a copy of the Al Campanis book but I cannot find it. I might have loaned it to someone. Anyway, I have not seen the book for a long time but as I recall it was full of fundamentals and drills. I think all teams understand the fundamentals and attempt to teach them. Tommy Lasorda had his best years with a core group of players who came up within the Dodger organization, many of whom he managed himself in the minors. Those players bought into Tommy’s managerial style and bluster. We have all lamented the fact that the Dodgers have not developed enough good players who became everyday players. It is not that the Dodgers traded away a lot of tremendous prospects who became impact players (and the few who did became impact players did so on a different team than the one they were traded to by the Dodgers), the sad fact is the Dodgers have either not drafted well in the fist place, or not been able to develop players they do draft, or not had enough patience to groom players. As many GM’s seem to believe, Ned favors past performance of a “veteran” player over unproven younger talent. Perhaps Ned realized the choice he had within the organization was not good and that is why he seemed to always go to the cheaper free agent dumpster diving.

    Hopefully Guggenheim will change this and get back to better scouting, better player development and fill in with free agents as necessary. Perhaps the organization culture will get back to Lasorda’s competitive style where losing is not acceptable.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      Yes losing is not acceptable, nobody likes to lose but we have no choice but to accept it when it comes.
      Right now I don’t think the Dodgers should make to many changes because they have a very good team. I think the changes will ruin what they have. As long as they can come back to the postseason they will eventually get to the World Series and then hopefully win it.
      They must get better at drafting good talent and developing it, so they will be good enough to hold on to and not just be used for trade bait.
      Apparently the Dodgers have missed place Campanis’ book also but hopefully they’ll get it right..

      • nedisajerk says:

        I think Logan White known what he doing maybe he shouldn’t draft all those pitchers and I think some of them were HS kids in the 1st round and actually draft position players and If I’m not mistaken Loney and Seager was the only 1st round pick maybe they just slow development and it really no need to rush these kids up.

        Joe Panik-1st round pick 29th overall 2011.

        Matt Duffy-18th round pick in 2012.

        Michael Wacha-Cardinals drafted him out of college with the 19th overall pick in 2012 as compensation for losing Pujols to the Angels and who was picked 18th in tht same draft? That would be Corey Seager.

        Randall Grichuk-Angels drafted him 1 spot ahead of Trout and was a part of the Bourjos trade that send Salas/Freese to the Angels.

        • oldbrooklynfan says:

          I read from someone who heard from a reliable source that we should thank our lucky stars that De Jon Watson is gone. Something about him playing favorites. Maybe that’s where the fault lied. I really don’t understand how it worked,

      • JhallWally says:

        You just said “losing is not acceptable” And then qualified it with, “accept it when it comes”.
        You need to wake up and make up your mind… You are always ready to settle for mediocrity….. I for one, am not….
        It is either acceptable or it is not… Right now, this team is Unacceptable….

        • trublu4ever says:


        • oldbrooklynfan says:

          Well, I mean we don’t like to lose, no one does, we hate it but I could never understand why it’s unacceptable when we, as fans, have no choice but to accept it. We don’t want it but what can we do?
          If you’re referring to the team, I guess you mean they must do something about it. I’m sure they will.

  38. Dodger4life says:

    Nice little write-up about a local Idaho icon….
    RIP Louie, Louie…

  39. trublu4ever says:

    Friedman …. our new GM …. one down, one to go!

    • trublu4ever says:

      …however, Colletti to remain as advisor to Kasten 😦

      • oldbrooklynfan says:

        I just heard the news on MLBN’s Mad Dog on High Heat.
        I have to say I’m glad that Colletti is staying because I didn’t want them to change course completely, although it looks like the Dodger end is near for him.

      • messagebear says:

        Well, I suppose they ought to give something to do for Ned as long as they already extended his unnecessary contract some time back. I also suppose that when you’re an “advisor” it doesn’t mean that anybody has to take your advice. Only in baseball!
        I’m thinking the Guggenheims are every bit as f***ed up as I thought they were.

  40. Dodger4life says:

    It turns out the answer all along wasn’t…
    Fire Ned…
    It was promote Ned….

    • JhallWally says:

      Heh, heh, don’t kid yourself, he was basically fired…. They just gave him a cubicle to prepare his dismal resume…. Good Riddance Nedcompoop……

  41. kahliforni says:

    Now promote Mattingly to “Laison to the Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations.” Then he and Torre can lunch often.

  42. enchantedbeaver says:

    I’ve admired Tampa Bay for many years. I’m absolutely thrilled to have someone with baseball acumen running the team now.

    Doubt Ned will not have much input with Kasten other than, “was that one lump or two Mr. Kasten.”

  43. lbirken says:

    The Diamondbacks hire Tony LaRussa not as GM, not as President of the club but in charge of baseball operations, creating a new post. The Dodgers follow suit with the hire of Andrew Friedman in what appears to be a similar position. The big difference is Friedman is a lot younger and brings a fresh approach to the Dodgers. I would expect other changes as well. As for Ned, the Dodgers have to pay him anyway so why not keep him around. It seems there is no end to how many “advisors” this organization needs.

    • 32and53fan says:

      Gerald Hunsicker is the Senior Advisor of Baseball Operations for the Dodgers. He was General Manager of the Houston Astros from 1995 to 2004 and there was some talk about maybe naming him to take over from Colletti, at least temporarily while searching for a permanent GM.
      During his tenure as general manager, the Astros won their division four times and placed second five times. The team reached the World Series in 2005.

      He spent seven years with the Tampa Bay Rays as senior vice president, baseball operations and left that post to join the Dodgers front office in October, 2012 so he knows all about Andrew Friedman.

      I really can’t think of what Ned can do for Stan Kasten without getting in the way of Friedman. It must be nice to be an executive and instead of being fired for lack of performance, they get a promotion to some nebulous advisory position.

      • lbirken says:

        Until today I knew nothing about Hunsicker or his role with the Dodgers. I wonder what he has been doing the past two seasons?

      • JhallWally says:

        Nedcompoop basically got a cubicle to prepare his resume, because he is being phased out… I would have just cut his sorry ass loose… The new ownership should have cleaned house when they took over… This firing (call it what you will, but it is basically a firing), was long overdo…….

  44. messagebear says:

    Can those Royals of mine play ball, or what?

  45. oldbrooklynfan says:

    How about them Giants they are certainly finding ways for the Cardinals to lose.

  46. lbirken says:

    Both the Giants and Royals have the “magic”.

  47. JhallWally says:

    Now it is time for Dildon to be shown the door…..

    With this latest move, the Guggs may be showing some signs that they have a clue and really give a crap…..

    The team sucks… Even with a huge payroll…. Trade Puig. He sucks…….

  48. enchantedbeaver says:

    Not going to surprise me if Donnie and some of the coaching staff will be out whether the players like him or not. Fact of the matter is, they don’t really perform for him anyway, and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see he’s no in-game strategist.

    Other than Uribe, I don’t see where Roidman has helped the hitting either. Not much good upping the team OBP if no one can knock them in.

    I’d retain Bunnynutts. From all accounts he’s a pitching genius, but even he couldn’t help the crap Ned got for the bullpen and late season starters.

    Coaching staff though are all Ned’s men rather than Donnie’s, so I doubt anyone’s totally safe.

    I think this is going to be the most interesting offseason we’ve ever had. Can’t wait to get it started.

  49. kahliforni says:

    Bringing back Mattingly for yet another season would be, in teen-speak, “meh.” Translation: whatever. Seems like treading water, to me. Donnie thought bubble: “I need another extension, having to manage now with all this added pressure and everything……………”

  50. kahliforni says:

    Or how about this idea. Because changing bench coaches didn’t work out (probably not the problem to begin with), how about Wallach becomes manager and Mattingly becomes bench coach, except the Dodgers don’t tell the media or the public. Donnie can still do post-game press conferences and go to the mound to change pitchers, but he’s really just a figure head, relegated to the back burner, ala Ned…the Guggenheim’s way to make feel-good changes.

  51. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Back in the 40s and 50s the Dodgers had a lot of trouble getting through the the World Series but they finally made it with very little changes in personal. Yes they did change managers along the way, but that took a little time too.
    I don’t necessarily think too many changes should be made. I think the latest change in the front office should be sufficient, hoping the new GM, whoever he’ll be, will be able to get us further than Colletti could.

  52. crash24now says:

    I guess I missed the news on Colletti. Yesterday was a “blue-letter day” (not red letter). Now we don’t have to look forward to the stupid moves, like some of these Colletti Classics:

    Jason Schmidt
    Brett Tomko
    Juan Pierre
    Andruw Jones
    Octavio Dotel
    Brandon League

    • enchantedbeaver says:

      Might I be allowed to add:
      The Flying Ortizi Brothers
      Nomore II
      The Proctorologist
      Mueller (who ironically became “special assistant” to Ned)
      Sweeney (who could forget him?)
      Furcal II
      Haeger The Horrible
      Wright II
      Wilson II

      Sorry if I left a few out.

      • crash24now says:

        That is one hell of a resume. He’s sure to get a job as GM with another team soon.

      • Dodger4life says:

        You left out the guy who couldn’t run…Thome
        and the guy who couldn’t see…Gibbons

      • crash24now says:

        You left out the $17 million bench player – Ethier.

      • JhallWally says:

        Very nice of you to help get Nedcompoop’s resume together…. You left off Manny 2. It is hillarious that we can keep adding to your incredibly extensive list… Ned’s shortcomings are amazing.. He is/was so inept… Everyone here on this blog knew he was screwing up… And, we posted and pointed it out at the time….. Good Grief… I was amazed when the Guggs came in and didn’t clean the house….Ned was old rubbish then… He sucked and we all knew it….
        I am happy to see him go…. And, excited to take a new direction… I hope that includes Dildons departure… Make him the Special Advisor to the Clubhouse attendant or whatever to save face…
        Just admit that you screwed up and move on. I can accept that.. Continuing on with a failing plan/direction, is just flat out ludicrous…

  53. griz says:

    Just got back from a week in Arizona to see we have a new boss. It’ll be more than interesting to see where we go from here. I never did think Ned was horrible, but in the end the new guy will want his own people, and yes, I must admit something had to be done.
    Looks like we will have a wild card world series. This team the cards are having such a tough time with. Are they not the same giants the Dodgers beat when they had to? I still cannot believe that big stiff who screwed things up for the st louis last night was allowed to hit the dinger that finished off Kershaw.
    I’m another who did not see the Dodgers advancing to the series this year. No passion at times and the bullpen issue.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      Yes it looks like the two wild cards teams will be in the World Series, but there’s still 3 games left and 2 are in St.Louis, so we really don’t know yet.

  54. griz says:

    Baez. He would have fitted right in with this years bull pen.

  55. zonadodger says:

    Love the Friedman hire

  56. zonadodger says:

    Ned will have to get Stan’s coffee now..LOL what a bummer

  57. lbirken says:

    Quite an impressive list of Ned signings. Did he operate in a vacuum? He is quite a salesman and as I always say, one heck of an optimist.

  58. enchantedbeaver says:

    If one had the time and inclination, it would be interesting to make a list of each team’s acquisitions over the same 8-9 year period to see how their list looked against Ned’s.

    So how would you rate Ned’s 10 worst acquisitions from both a salary and performance standpoint?

    Counting down to the worst, these would be mine, though a lot are interchangeable from 10 to 5:
    10. Bill Mueller
    9. Ted Lilly
    8. Nomore II
    7. Matt Guerrier
    6. Brian Wilson II
    5. Brandon League II
    4. Juan Pierre
    3. Manny II
    2. Jason Schmidt
    1. Andruw Jones (I’ve NEVER hated a player more than this guy)

    I’m probably forgetting a couple bad ones though.

  59. messagebear says:

    Ned always had a predilection to pay (actually overpay) someone for his past performance without any sense of the decline ready to set in once he was on board with us. It also seems these days like players burn out sooner (Ethier for example) than would normally have been expected. Just look at the free agency signings throughout the league – used to be that a guy was worth it for the first half of the contract at least before he was used up and got the gravy for nothing during the last couple of years. Today chances are he’ll be washed up a lot sooner.

  60. zonadodger says:

    Sure hope KC beats the Gnats

  61. oldbrooklynfan says:

    It’s going to be a good series, experience vs inexperience. The Kansas City Royals look like a tough team to beat from what we seen of them in the postseason, though I’m not familiar with the players. I don’t think the Giants can force them into mistakes like they did the Cards. KC has great defense but we’re talking about the Jints.

  62. messagebear says:

    The Gnats really rubbed a little more salt in the wound, but then they know how to play in October. I too am rooting for the Royals, but I’ve done so throughout their playoffs. I’m getting so that I know their players now, and they have a bullpen force.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      Yes it’s tough to see the Giants win another pennant and be in a third World Series in the past 5 seasons but let’s face it, they’re pretty good.

      • messagebear says:

        I’d have to say that they’re a bunch of overachievers, especially when it counts. On paper you’d have to say that they can’t match a Kershaw, and maybe not even Greinke, although Bumgarner had an outstanding year. I also don’t see that they have a Kemp or Gonzalez, or even Ramirez when he’s not hurt. Then there’s always Puig. They also don’t have a fill-in like Turner was for us this year.
        And, of course, the game isn’t played on paper.

  63. messagebear says:

    Oh, and then they have Bouchy!

  64. kahliforni says:

    Watching the Gnats celebrate the pennant is like watching an ex-girlfriend flirting in a bar… Go Royals.

  65. griz says:

    I’ve got to admit I watched the game last, but turned off the TV as soon as the game was over. I didn’t want to see them celebrate. At least the sf fans I know are decent people, can intelligently discuss baseball and don’t get wound up over the rivalry. There is one guy around town that would be better not to run in to. Kind of a big mouth. All in all, this rather sucks.

  66. JhallWally says:

    Go Royals………..

  67. enchantedbeaver says:

    Dodgers know how to win in the regular season, but the Giants know how to win when it counts. Bochy rises to the occasion and everyone contributes. Mattingly doesn’t and no one does. Its pretty much that simple. Let’s hope the new guy recognizes Donnie’s shortcomings and replaces him sooner rather than later.

  68. kahliforni says:

    OK, Friedman just hired me as his new GM, and after going over a few things, here’s what we decided:
    1) Trade Dee Gordon…his value will never be higher, his defense is lousy, and he looked like a deer in the headlights come playoff time.
    2) Trade Ethier (because I love the guy), Crawford (because I don’t) and League (just because).
    3) Bye bye Hanley…defense is needed up the middle (see Dee Gordon).
    4) Commit to Guerrero at 2B and Arruebarrena at SS.
    5) Sign a stud starting pitcher and a stud reliever. Duh.
    6) Commit to whatever power arms are in the minors for the bullpen.
    6) Oh yeah, can Donnie.

    Friedman also said I could open up ideas to this Dodger blog, so please, don’t be shy.

    • trublu4ever says:

      #1 FIRE DONNIE!

    • crash24now says:

      #1. Fire Donnie Baseball, the perennial loser
      #2. Sign Russell Martin as a free agent and move AJ Ellis to back-up catcher.
      #3. Force Puig to play winter ball.
      #4. Get a coach to teach all the players how to slide.

    • enchantedbeaver says:

      Guerrero’s D from what I hear is worse than Gordon’s. I think Dee just wore down at the end of the year. Unfortunately that may be an ongoing issue given his stature and the nature of his [running] game. I don’t have any problem trading Gordon, but I do playing Guerrero.

  69. oldbrooklynfan says:

    One thing that makes me feel good is that unlike I was in the past, I really don’t feel too bad over the Giants winning the Wild Card and going to the World Series and leaving us behind again. They made it and all I can do is congratulate them and as always wait ’till next year. I keep thinking of when the Dodgers clinched the division I saw the Giants, from the dugout, tip their hats to them and I think the only thing there is to do is tip my hat to the Giants now.
    No, I don’t wish them luck but in good sportsmanship I congratulate them in winning the Pennant.

  70. lbirken says:

    Friedman has already stated in his introduction that Donnie will be back next season. He said he and Donnie have had two conversations already and has more time with Donnie scheduled for next week. He said he and Donnie share certain philosophies but did not elaborate. He was asked about the coaching staff and said that will be part of the discussions still to come. He was asked a number of times about potential GM’s and other than saying he would hire a GM and has talked to a number of people, he made no other comments about how long that process might take. He mentioned he is looking forward to working with the front office talent that is here now but did say there will be new people brought in without saying exactly what those people will do. I am ok with Donnie coming back and I hope he can overcome all the questions and uncertainty that most likely will follow him as he has to continually answer questions about his status.

    I have to say I am not happy at all the Giants are back into the World Series. I agree they deserve it and play really well in the post season but somehow I can’t forget the fact that they did not even have to beat the Dodgers to get where they are. I do think the fact that the Dodgers did not make it past the first round is why the Dodgers decided to go in a different direction by hiring someone like Friedman. I am not sold on the “moneyball” way of doing things only because it has not proven it brings championships. However, I do think there can be an element in the analytical thinking that goes along with traditional player development methods. Clearly the Dodgers have not done a good job developing players within its own organization that could fill the holes so hopefully that will change. It will take some time for this to happen. I still say the Dodgers have never been an organization that will ever go to the fans and ask them to be patient while the front office tries to rebuild. The Dodgers need to stay competitive every season. The Giants and Cardinals have shown it can be done and the Dodgers have done it in the past.

    I am open to just about anything that will improve the Dodgers next season. I am not sure about giving up on Puig quite yet but understand why that might be tempting. I would think trading Ethier makes sense even if the Dodgers need to pay part of his salary or even most of it if they can get value in return. I am not sold on either Guerrero or Arruebarrena yet only because I don’t know if they can hit major league pitching. But I do agree that as much as I like Hanley, I think it is time to sever the ties. I think saying a player should be traded needs to be tempered by what can be had in return or who would better fill that role. But I suspect the Dodgers will be active in determining just that this offseason and well into spring.

    • messagebear says:

      I agree that neither Guerrero nor particularly Arruebarrena have done anything to prove that they’re capable of being major leaguers, much less good ones. Puig is still in development as far as I’m concerned and should be put out to play winter ball and do some maturing.

      • crash24now says:

        If Arruebarrena could hit .250 in the eight spot and provide excellent defense, that would be a win. The lower offensive production would require that we sign Russell Martin to provide some extra punch in the lineup.

        Not sure if Arruebarrena can hit .250 in the MLB, though.

        • enchantedbeaver says:

          I’d be happy if Arry could even hit .220 and play great D.

          Agree on Martin though if you’re going to go that route at short. I’m just not too fond of wussybat either.

          • crash24now says:

            Wussybat (assume you mean Martin) – OPS by year:
            2006 .792 LAD
            2007 .843 LAD
            2008 .781 LAD
            2009 .680 LAD
            2010 .679 LAD
            2011 .732 NYY
            2012 .713 NYY
            2013 .703 PIT
            2014 .832 PIT

            This sure begs the question – can he replicate his success from 2014 into 2015? Boy, he sure was motivated in his “contract year”. Boy, he is sure going to get paid by somebody. Boy, he sure might disappoint that somebody.

          • enchantedbeaver says:

            Yup. He’s not getting any younger either. Seems to me other than last year’s spike, he’s been trending mediocre for a lot of years.

  71. messagebear says:

    As far as Ethier and Crawford go, they should both be traded if we can get any prospect value at all. They shouldn’t hold up the further development of either VanSlyke or Pederson by being the obvious starter choices only because of their large contracts. Ethier can’t be just a pinch-hitter, and he’s not particularly good at that either. I think Pederson deserves a chance to play and develop at the major league level, because he’s done so well at every other level. I think VanSlyke deserves the chance to play more regularly, because he’s done everything this past season that’s been asked of him, and he’s shown a good average, good OBP, and most importantly done it with power for his limited chances. Those are the guys who deserve to play regularly unless and until they show that they can’t. That’s how teams are built.

  72. lbirken says:

    I think Ethier could be a good pinch hitter, at least against righties but I doubt at this stage in his career he is ready to accept such a role. Not sure if I am ready to give up on Crawford just yet. He did play well when he was healthy and he has speed on the base paths. However, the Dodgers do have a decision to make about Pederson. Either he is ready or he isn’t. I don’t think his limited opportunities at the major league level are enough of a gauge. Assuming the Dodgers could find willing trade partners for Crawford and/or Ethier, would the Dodgers be willing to let Van Slyke and Pederson compete for left field? This will be an interesting off season with new people in the front office charged to make those decisions.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      I agree with holding on to Crawford he was good going down the stretch. Kemp is getting back to himself and we have to be patient with Puig. The infield looks steady but I don’t know what the future for Hanley is. Kershaw, Greinke and Ryu look like keepers to me
      It’s going to be very interesting to see in what way changes to this team will be made.

  73. messagebear says:

    Make Hanley a qualifying offer, which is around $15 million for one year. If he takes it, I’m all right with keeping him for one year. I think he’s too much of a risk for longer than that. If he rejects we’ll get another first round draft pick. I don’t think there will be too many teams looking to sign him to more than maybe two years.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      I agree with that. That one year may be all he needs to straighten out his health, meaning he’ll be healthy for most of the season. After that, we’ll wait and see. If he turns it down, than the team can move on from that point.
      But with this team pretty well put together, I can’t help but wonder about how the new management will make changes. IMO, other than pitching and mainly the bullpen, seems to be OK. I wouldn’t like to see them ruin a good thing.

      • messagebear says:

        I agree with your outlook, OBF. I think we’re set at third with Uribe for another year and Turner for some games. Although I didn’t believe in Gordon at the outset, based on his previous attempts at the majors, I think he did a decent job as a lead-off guy, and his play at second was better than I expected – he made some errors, but he also with his speed got to some balls that someone else would not. First base is still a foregone conclusion between Gonzalez and VanSlyke for relief. In the outfield it’s mostly a question of who you’re going to play besides the obvious Kemp and Puig. That leaves us in need of another good starter, maybe a fifth starter to boot if Haren backs out of the option available to him to stay. The bullpen is what’s up in the air. I’m still not willing to rely on Baez or Elbert, and one or another of our “previous closers” may come back in spring training, but I obviously wouldn’t count on them when it counts.

        • oldbrooklynfan says:

          I noticed Bear, That , to put it simply, you are all for Van Slyke and are not pulling for Crawford. I like both of them and the “Meat & Potatoes” guy, AGon. It will be interesting to see how it works out for SVS.
          It’s strange how the bullpen, which has somehow carried this team for several years, with the exception of Jansen, ended up our weakest link. Even the offense has improved.
          Like I said before, other than failing to get to the World Series, again, this team is getting close. If you don’t think of it being a set back after this postseason, the team is solid. So I just hope the new management doesn’t spoil it.

  74. messagebear says:

    You’re right, OBF in that I seem to favor VanSlyke over Crawford and probably some other guys. That’s just one of those things about who turns out to be your more favored player. As for Crawford, I really didn’t much like him early in the season, because he wasn’t producing and got on the DL. I must say that by the end of the season he had acquitted himself quite well and certainly was not anything like a single cause for us not getting to the Series. In fact, there was no single cause and maybe not even a shame that we didn’t advance any further, because a team that happened to play better in one series won – that’s all that the playoffs really told us. I’m disappointed that we don’t seem to get past those obstacles in October to get to the main prize. I probably lay too much blame on Ned and Donnie during the year, because I wanted them gone when the new ownership took over, when it’s really the team that didn’t play well enough to go further. You’ve got to say that the players on paper looked like they were good enough to advance; it’s just that they didn’t perform up to expectations, Kershaw included. With Ned and Donnie gone, we might have turned the page sooner, or may be not, but at some point they’ll both be gone, and then we’ll see if we feel the same about the next pair eventually. That’s the fans’ privilege.

  75. lbirken says:

    I agree it might be beneficial to sign Hanley to a one year deal but we heard a lot during the season and even after that not having a deal for next season may have affected him. Most other high caliber players seem to step up in the so called contract year but he didn’t. So I ask: If Hanley did have a problem with his contract situation going into this season and during the season, will he be able to overcome those concerns with another season of uncertainty for 2016? I actually think the same can be asked about Donnie.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      Aside from continually playing with some sort of injury I think Hanley played well when he was playing. Showing he’s fine if nothing is physically bothering him. I was thinking that if he was healthy all year he would’ve been signed to a long term contract but as it is I think a one year contract just to see how he does would be sufficient if he agrees to it. But the new front office management might not think so.

  76. nedisajerk says:

    Geez Bill Shaiken for a guy to be a LA Times writer he just seem to be happy with the Giants winning with all these articles.

    • oldbrooklynfan says:

      I use to feel horrible when the Giants were successful. In 2010 it was hell to see them win the pennant and then the World Series but some how I don’t feel as bad any more.
      They’re an elite team now and all we can hope for is that the Dodgers can turn themselves into an elite team by going all the way in the postseason. If the Giants and the Cards can do it, why not the Dodgers?

  77. enchantedbeaver says:

    Freidman on being open to signing free agents to long-term deals: “When you’re solving for talent, having star players is a critical part of having success. I think it’s really important in the free-agent process to be as disciplined as you can be. There’s things that will make much more sense here than they do in other markets. That being said, it’s really important to do as much as you can to put yourself in the position to pay for what a player will do, not necessarily for what they have done.”

    Friedman – the antithesis of Ned.

    • lbirken says:

      That is the hard part: to pay for what a player will do without knowing since it has not happened yet. Perhaps free agents should come with a warning that past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

      But I get your point: Ned often seemed to sign players whose past performance was not all that impressive.

      • enchantedbeaver says:

        Ned made an awful lot of mistakes also from taking a small sample size and expecting a player to keep up impossible production. Sherrill, League, Manny, Wilson and Lilly come to mind where he mistook what a guy did for a couple months and signed them to a 2-3 year deal.

        I admit, its all really just a crap shoot, but as you said, Ned had to be the most optimistic guy on the planet to think they’d be anything near for 2-3 years what they were for their two months in the sun.

        I think it safe to assume that a sabermetrics guy wouldn’t have made those same assumptions and mistakes when basing their decisions on career stats and trends.

        • oldbrooklynfan says:

          Well, the way I understand it, it’s all over now. Ned is no longer calling the shots. So forget the past and let’s see if the new guy, who ever he’ll be, will make better decisions. Let’s hope so.

  78. lbirken says:

    Shad, I think Shaiken is trying to figure out what we all are trying to figure out: how do the Giants do it? This is their third World Series in 5 years, an impressive accomplishment, especially compared to the Dodgers who have not been there since 1988. Two things that stand out to me that can attribute to the Giants success are stability in the front office and terrific on field leadership.

  79. griz says:

    Smoke and mirrors, I guess. What’s particularly irksome is the Dodgers beat those guys at every turn and flame out against the birds, who the giants proceed to humble.

  80. griz says:

    It amazes me, all right.

  81. lbirken says:

    Imagine how Brooklyn fans felt year after year at coming up short against the Yankees. The Dodgers had good teams that won a lot of NL pennants but until 1955 could not beat the Yankees. The Dodger teams of 1977 & 78 also could not get past the Yankees and those were good Dodger teams as well. Just part of the history. Looking forward to next season to break this current cycle.

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