Up or Down?


Which direction is this team headed – up or down?  After a winning road trip (4-3) and a home series win (2-1) over the lowly Diamondbacks, the Dodgers are gaining some upward momentum.  They have moved from 9.5 games behind to 6.5 games behind.  It helps that the Giants lost three of four to the Nationals and got swept by the Rockies.  This brings us to the current standings of:


Team            W        L            GB

Giants          43      27           __

Dodgers       37     34            6.5

Rockies        34     35            8.5


While the Dodgers play a three-game series at home (ugh) against the Rockies, the Giants will visit the Chisox for a two game mini-series.  If all goes well (rose-colored glasses on), the standings on Thursday morning could be:


Giants           43    29            __

Dodgers        40   34              4

Rockies         34   38              9


If all goes poorly (black and orange glasses on), the standings on Thursday morning could be:


Giants          45   27             __

Rockies        37  35               8

Dodgers       37  37               9


Noting that this is baseball and not an all-or-nothing affair, there is also a possibility of a middle-of-road outcome of Dodgers lose 2-1 to the Rockies and Giants split in Chicago.  That would leave us at a more realistic possibility of:


Giants         44  28             __

Dodgers      38  36              7

Rockies       36  36              8


Obviously, all of this speculation is meaningless.  We’ve got to play the games.  Here’s hoping for a sweep due to our top starters of Ryu, Greinke, and Kershaw.  They are going to need some help from the on-again, off-again offense, the sometimes great, sometimes wretched defense, and the withering bullpen.


172 Responses to Up or Down?

  1. crash24now says:

    A sweep would put our home record at 18-20.

  2. Dodger4life says:

    Up or Down

    These guys have shown the world, nothing, that relates in any way to being a champion.

    Wake me up when they look like fuckin’ contenders…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

  3. Dodger4life says:

    Nice post crash… My apologies for being on the fuckin’, flip side of Rah-Rah-Rah, at the moment.

    • crash24now says:

      No problem. I appreciate your candid reaction to the Dodgers’ play recently. Although their recent record is 6-4, this has come against two middling teams (Rockies and Reds) and one has-been team (D-Backs).

      • Dodger4life says:

        Lately…I have been tuning in, and if the team doesn’t look alive by the 3rd inning…I shut my eyes and just listen, maybe get some sleep along the way. However, when the team is on the road, this is hard to do… F’n Steiner and his better half Hershiser…don’t ever shut up. I enjoy Hershiser, as he brings a wealth of knowledge into play…Steiner brings a bottle of wine, I think… He has no clue most of the time…

        It will be nice to hear Vinny tell the bed-time story again tonight.

        • Dodger4life says:

          Steiner has even started to use Chris Bermans style of raising his voice at times…although, it comes out more like…HE MAY GO ALL THE WAY… Then Orel will have to chime in with…It’s halftime Charlie…he’s just trotting to the locker room…

  4. messagebear says:

    With Ryu, Greinke, and Kersh going, we should expect at least a 2-1 series outcome, especially since the Rockies aren’t really any kind of powerhouse. If we lose the series at home with our three best, then you have to consider this season really screwed, if it isn’t already. My attitude watching the games (strictly on MLB Gameday): if we’re going to win, I’ll take it as one of the good, enjoyable days; if we’re losing, I’ll blame the Guggenheims and tell them all to go get f****ed and laugh my ass off for all the money they’ve thrown away. Really getting excited with this team – not in the cards for me.

  5. 32and53fan says:

    RIP Tony Gwynn. He passed on from losing his battle against salivary gland cancer. I can’t imagine the suffering that goes with that type of cancer.

  6. 32and53fan says:

    Nice post Crash.

    While the Dodgers have been making some progress, they still don’t seem to have the killer instinct. Championship teams would not have let the game yesterday slip away.

    There us some talk from Peter Gammons of Ben Zobrist being a possible trade goal for the Dodgers. Yesterday Kevin Kennedy was raving about what a good pickup that would be.

  7. crash24now says:


    Gordon 2B
    Ramirez SS
    Puig RF
    Kemp LF
    Van Slyke 1B
    Ethier CF
    Ellis C
    Rojas 3B
    Ryu P

    Third Base without Uribe nor Turner is really a drag.

    I guess Gonzo is getting a day off. Personally, I can’t complain about that, since I asked for it.

  8. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Some people say that the Dodgers blew a golden opportunity last night to gain more grown on the Giants. Well you can’t disagree with that but it’s also good to think that the only ground the Dodgers lost was on the calendar.There is one less game to play than there was yesterday.
    Tonight we’re facing the red hot Rockies, who are the same team that gave the Giants fits.
    BUT Tonight’s another night.

  9. trublu4ever says:

    I used to anticipate each game with joyful optimism. Lately, it’s been a queasy stomach every night. Pepto is making a fortune off me this season 🙂

  10. Dodger4life says:

    I have Vinny and a beer…

    Let’s Go Dodgers, Let’s Go!!

  11. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I think if the ball didn’t hit Blackman in the foot, making him kick it I think Gordon would’ve been credited with a HR.

  12. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Another hit and RBI for Kemp.

  13. Dodger4life says:

    Dee helping himself to the 5th base, so far.

  14. enchantedbeaver says:

    Just when you’re about to write Gordon off as going back to his norm hitting-wise, he busts out a big night.

  15. crash24now says:

    Great game for Dee.

  16. enchantedbeaver says:

    If this team is going to go anywhere, Kemp has to be this year’s Hanley.

  17. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Nice 5-1 lead, now all they have to do is hold it.

  18. enchantedbeaver says:

    Is Donnie insane or does he just enjoy wearing out the bullpen?

  19. trublu4ever says:

    Much better tonight. At least I’ll be able to sleep.

  20. oldbrooklynfan says:

    38-34 Take away the Giants and that record stands up to only a few teams. Always good to win.

  21. crash24now says:

    “Up” is the answer tonight. Gnats lead shrunk to six games.

  22. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo, nice win… I still was not happy with the number of runners we left on…. Our hitting in the clutch is abysmal…. It is only because of our great starting pitching that we get away with it… And, tonight, at least, the bullpen showed up… Kemp is showing signs of getting it together… Either hasn’t… However, I will take Ethier over Crawford any day… The Dodgers need to get rid of Crawford. He is an anchor…. Drags us down…. We need an infusion of young players….. This team is not WS material…. Too bad because they have a WS starting rotation….

    • trublu4ever says:

      Crawford seems to be the one complaining about the outfield situation. He’s supposedly close to be ready to come back off the DL but, is moping already. So, I agree….give him the boot!

    • enchantedbeaver says:

      That’s what I was thinking all game. 15 hits, 2 errors and a few walks and all they score is 6. Kemp left runners at 2nd and 3rd one out in the 8th by doing his usual strikeout. Tiresome knowing night after night that no matter the situation they have about a 5% chance of scoring with RISP.

  23. JhallWally says:

    I’m sure glad we have a GM like Nedcompoop the make some deals to address our shortcomings that were created by none other than Nedcompoop himself….

    Why does this inept nincompoop still have a job????????????

    Bear is right, Kasten and the Guggs are just as inept….

  24. JhallWally says:

    Nice post Crash… We have to win our series and hope the G’nats lose theirs…. As your post pointed out, it is time to play some ball, or go home….

  25. JhallWally says:

    And while I’m at it, what is the upside to keeping Chris Perez????????????? Geez… DFA the bum….

  26. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Wow, if you guys were GMs we’d have new players everyday. Let these guys play. If it wasn’t for the Giants playing (probably over their heads), so well for a good while there, the Dodgers would be a lot closer. I was thinking that the Giants were going to be hard to catch but now, I’m not sure.
    The Reds are showing that even with a lot of their regulars on the DL they are still a very good team.
    As long as the Dodgers can keep winning on a more consistent pace, I’m sure their chances of making the postseason will remain alive as we approach the end of the regular season.
    Remember they can still make it on their own even if they don’t catch the Giants but of course they have to stay ahead of the Rockies, the rest of the NL West and most of the other teams.

  27. crash24now says:


    Gordon 2B
    Ramirez SS
    Puig RF
    Gonzalez 1B
    Kemp LF
    Ethier CF
    Ellis C
    Rojas 3B
    Greinke P

    A-Gon is back from his one day of rest. Let’s see if he gets more hits than Van Slyke (one).

  28. trublu4ever says:

    Giants are losing 5-2 in 5th …. things could be very good for us by the end of the night.

  29. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Here we go.

  30. enchantedbeaver says:

    I think Gonzalez needs another few days off.

  31. Dodger4life says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz… I was just about to doze off.

    Hanley looked dialed in from the get-go.

  32. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Nice clout by Ramirez to make it 2-0 .His 11th HR..

  33. trublu4ever says:

    Wow…Puig just made another stupendous catch!

  34. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Kemp’s 7th HR.

  35. lbirken says:

    Nice moment in the booth with the Stanley Cup, Kings players and Vin.

  36. lbirken says:

    117 pitches in 6 innings. Donnie showed some patience with Zach but maybe these sort of be a is the reason for wearing out the bullpen.

  37. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Spectacular pitching by Greinke to get out of the 6th inning, allowing just one run.

  38. lbirken says:

    Supposed to read, these sort of outings.

  39. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Dickerson makes it a one run ballgame with that infield double.

  40. lbirken says:

    Ouch, that hurt. I like Hanley but can any team risk a big long term contract on him? I cannot question his desire but he just cannot escape the injury big.

  41. lbirken says:

    Big sigh of relief.

  42. oldbrooklynfan says:

    WHEW!!! Another narrow escape with the lead.

  43. trublu4ever says:

    Wow…the new Kid!

  44. oldbrooklynfan says:

    What d’ ya know about that?

  45. lbirken says:

    That was totally unexpected.

  46. oldbrooklynfan says:

    How often does that happen? Carlos Triunfel replaces Hanley and hits a homerun.

  47. trublu4ever says:

    Wilson is going to blow it for us!

  48. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Wilson kept us on edge but he made it through.

  49. lbirken says:

    Another 3 plus hour game for the Dodgers.

  50. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Here we go, nail biting and finger crossing time.
    Let’s go Kenley.

  51. crash24now says:

    Nice game, Dodgers. Glad Hanley’s finger is not broken.

    Five games back. Woohoo! We’ve got some momentum!

    We’re going UPPPPP!

  52. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Jansen’s 2oth save.

  53. trublu4ever says:

    We made it through!

  54. lbirken says:

    Whew again, (3 tough innings for the bullpen) but the Dodgers get a big win. At least it was an entertaining game.

  55. Happy Tuesday night for us Dodgers fans!

  56. lbirken says:

    Have to love the bubbles in the dugout.

  57. Dodger4life says:

    Nice win… we still need to sweep a series at home.

    • crash24now says:

      Yup. It’s great that we have gotten to just five games back. But do the Dodgers have the killer instinct and ability to sweep the Rockies? Kershaw is pitching so that gives us the advantage. Just need to continue getting some key hits, a tight defense, and a decent enough bullpen.

      I do like the way League picked up Howell after Howell faltered. Then Triunfel picked up Hanley with the bomb after Hanley got injured. Finally, Gonzo and Triunfel picked up the Beard with the double play.

      Oh, yeah, and Kenley picked himself up after he let the first two guys get hits.

      • trublu4ever says:

        With a day off tomorrow, let’s see what lineup Donnie throws out there today. You all know how he likes to rest his players. I suppose a bus ride to San Diego is too tiring.

        • trublu4ever says:

          ….because of some of these “I don’t give a shit” lineups…I am not surprised we can’t sweep a series.

  58. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo, nice win……..

    The bullpen came thru…… That has been a weak link…. This team is not yet hitting on all cylinders and we are still in the chase….Perhaps even catching the G’nats….. Just exemplifies the importance of starting pitching….. And, the bullpen… I think we will go as far as our bullpen… If they falter, we will not do well.
    Nedcompoop, if you are listening, shore up our bullpen….. It is this teams biggest need……………………….

  59. JhallWally says:

    Just heard/read that Crawfords ankle injury may be alot worse and he will be out for and extended period… All I can say is, thank you big Dodger in the Sky….. Now take out Chris Perez….. Please……

    • trublu4ever says:

      Maholm too!

      • JhallWally says:

        🙂 LMAO!! I agree…. You are a gem…..

      • enchantedbeaver says:

        No reason that Paco should be toiling at AAA. Typical Ned that he has to have a crappy, soft tossing lefty on the team. Maholm (and Perez for that matter) were head scratchers from the start, just like a couple years ago when he signed both MacDougal and Cormier (or was it Coffey?) The guy just has no eye for talent. Never has. Never will. Meanwhile, someone who could really help the pen is wasting his time in Albuquerque, and Donnie’s wearing out Howell to cover for it.

        • JhallWally says:

          C’mon Beav, you can’t possibly be suggesting that Ned doesn’t know what he is doing… If the Guggs and Kasten have confidence in him, shouldn’t we…???? LOL!!! Bear was right, the Guggs and Kasten are inept…..

          • enchantedbeaver says:

            Not me brother. I have nothing but utmost confidence in our management…

            to screw things up.

    • enchantedbeaver says:

      Far be it from Ned to just get eat a bad contract and DFA Crawford’s ass. More than likely this is another one of Ned’s phantom injuries to keep him off the team, but keep him around.

      As is customary though with Ned and Donnie (and JoJo before him), it takes a bunch of injuries before they finally put the right players on the field (and Donnie will still screw that up given any chance at all.) IF this team makes a run, it will be because they finally (through attrition) leave the same 8 regulars out there so they can play as a consistent unit and not in and out and all over the place.

      I still blame last year on Donnie for taking a fine tuned machine and screwing around with it the last month of the year. He took away their momentum. He took away their edge. He took away home field advantage. I wouldn’t doubt if they do make a run that he’ll do the same thing again this year.

  60. Dodger4life says:

    Is Goribe ready to leg-out a triple yet..

  61. enchantedbeaver says:

    We’re the dreaded 5 games over .500. Haven’t been above that yet this season.

  62. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Last night I checked the wild card standings, which I just can’t keep my eyes off. At the moment the Dodgers and Cardinals are leading the way in the N.L.
    Yes, I know that the Dodgers have made a run on the SURPRISINGLY cooling down Giants. Yes I’m very surprised of this. I never expected this to happen so soon.
    But let me repeat, although it appears the Dodgers just might catch the Giants, in case they don’t, they look like they got a good shot at that wild card game.
    But of course, It’s pretty hard to tell what the future holds.

    • Dodger4life says:

      After tonight’s game…and a road trip. We take on the Cardinals to begin the next home stand. We need to complete the sweep and finish this home stand off the right way.

  63. crash24now says:

    ChiSox up 4-0 over Gnats after four innings.

  64. crash24now says:

    Lineup – same as it ever was

    Gordon 2B
    Ramirez SS
    Puig RF
    Gonzalez 1B
    Kemp LF
    Van Slyke CF
    Ellis C
    Rojas 3B
    Kershaw P

    When the hell is Donnie going to realize that Gonzo don’t got it right now and move him down in the lineup until he does? Kemp is getting hot, give him the cleanup spot.

  65. messagebear says:

    Gonzo has the big contract for several more years. Now Donnie wouldn’t want to upset Gonzo – after all, we also got a whole bunch of players, more or less useless, just to get Gonzo on this team. You wouldn’t want Gonzo upset now, would you?

    • crash24now says:

      I’d like Gonzo to be so upset that he starts producing offense again. I expect no less than an OPS of .800 from Gonzo and I won’t be happy until he’s back up there. An .850 would be better, but the minimum is .800. Until then, he’s just another Ethier, another Crawford, another Mark Ellis.

  66. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Let’s get underway.

  67. oldbrooklynfan says:

    That was a nice 2 run start.

  68. enchantedbeaver says:

    Nice early lead for Kersh for a change.

  69. enchantedbeaver says:

    Seems to me Kersh may be on tonight.

  70. trublu4ever says:

    Adrian finally delivers!

  71. oldbrooklynfan says:

    A-Gon & Kemp deliver. Kemp is really looking good.

  72. trublu4ever says:

    And, Matt must have eaten his Wheaties the past few days.

  73. enchantedbeaver says:

    Thought Rojas wasn’t supposed to be able to hit. Good job kid.

  74. trublu4ever says:


  75. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Rojas has really been good, nice 3 run double.

  76. enchantedbeaver says:

    They sure made DLR throw a pot full of pitches in three innings (76).

  77. enchantedbeaver says:

    The game’s more fun when they actually score some runs.

  78. trublu4ever says:

    8 runs on 7 hits! Wow!

  79. trublu4ever says:

    Dammit, Hanley!

  80. enchantedbeaver says:

    I’m gonna be pissed if that costs Kersh a perfecto.

  81. oldbrooklynfan says:


  82. enchantedbeaver says:

    Was only a matter of time. Now the question will be, how many before he’s done?

  83. enchantedbeaver says:

    F U Hanley!!!

  84. trublu4ever says:

    Truly Bluetiful!

  85. crash24now says:

    Incredible night for Kershaw.

  86. crash24now says:

    Dodgers are definitely on the way up.

  87. enchantedbeaver says:

    That was as dominant a pitching performance as I can ever remember by a Dodger.

  88. Shades of Koufax!!

    And we’re only 4 games out of first. Amazing!!!

  89. crash24now says:

    Kershaw had both his slider and curve ball working well. Hardly fair for the hitters. Amazing game.

  90. kahliforni says:

    What if a team threw two no-hitters…and there was nobody there to watch it on TV or hear Vinny call the drama? Thanks again to Magic and the Guggenheims.

  91. lbirken says:

    I am thrilled that I finally got to see a no hitter in person after all these years of attending games at Dodger Stadium. And fortunately it was a Dodger who threw it. I had a sense after the third inning that this could be a special night and if not for Hanley’s error, I would have seen a perfect game. Sorry for those of you who were not able to see it on TV.

    I will say I had to suffer through this game listening to the constant chatter from a fan sitting directly behind me. It wouldn’t have been so bad if he were a knowledgeable fan talking about the game even though I am sure he thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, after he left for a few innings (which we noticed when all of a sudden it became quiet behind us) and came back around the 7th inning, he and his buddy start talking about how Kershaw should be removed from the game when he gets to around 75 pitches and there is no need to risk damaging his arm. I cringed but did not want to say anything. Then all of a sudden he notices Kershaw is pitching a no hitter! What an idiot! It took a lot of self control not to say anything to him so all I could do was shake my head.

  92. grizzy says:

    Well kids, looks to me like things are starting to gel. I’d say the weak link right now would be the bullpen which is obvious enough. When that situation gets cured, I think we’ll start to roll.

  93. messagebear says:

    Well, I’m just very happy for Kersh, the team, and for Birk having been there to witness it.
    With us only four games behind I guess there’s no way that we become sellers in July to get rid of a few guys for some added prospect value. That only means that Ned gets to be a buyer again, and heaven only knows what he’ll come up with – is Dotel still around?

  94. Woke up this morning and discovered that the no-hitter was not a dream. What an incredible game pitched by an incredible young man!

  95. JhallWally says:

    Wow!!!! Absolutely incredible…… Too bad Hanley messed up a perfect game…. Look out G’nats….

    It is however just one win and we have a long way to go to be a legitimate WS contender…. We have the starting pitching….
    We need to fix the bullpen….

  96. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I watched many no-hitters, for and against the Dodgers and a few others. I even watched Derick Loes,’ in person, at Fenway Park that he pitched for the Red Sox.The one thing different about this one was Kershaw was so dominant that every time I felt a little nervous it seemed that he got another out. I never felt so confident that a no-hitter was in the making, even though it could end at any moment. Of course it hurt to see Hanley make the error but since it wasn’t a walk or anything Kershaw did, the game simply continued like it was still perfect. The great play by Rojas and Gonzalez was a little nerve wracking but it happened so quickly I didn’t have time to worry.
    One thing I’m happier about is that Kershaw is still a tremendous pitcher and he’s ours.

    • lbirken says:

      He was as dominating as no other game he has pitched in his MLB career. It would not surprise me to see him throw another no hitter some time before he is done.

  97. enchantedbeaver says:

    Most ridiculous Kershaw stat: 86K, 8BB. Amazing.

  98. JhallWally says:

    Look out G’nats, here we come…..

    • trublu4ever says:

      I hope the Dbacks can shed their lousy pitching and beat the Gnats. And, even though not a very good team, the Padres always give us problems. With all that said, I still believe…..GO DODGERS!

  99. I had my main computer “fixed”, it’s not as up to date as it was before but I’m still glad to to have it working. I lost my documents but I lost interest in them a while back. If it goes to pot again and can’t be fixed I’ll just simply get a new one. I don’t use the computer as much as I use to or I should say I don’t use it much for other things other than my Dodger stuff.

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