A method to their madness

Not much has been reported by either side about why Frank McCourt was able to sell the team yet hold on to half of the land.  I came across an article (Tom Elias: The Dodger deal’s Prop. 13 loophole) that might explain why the Guggenheim Group and McCourt have become odd bedfellows.  It seems that by keeping the ownership of the land by the new owners at no more than 50%, they will save millions of dollars per year on property taxes.

“Amid the euphoria that erupted in much of California when a group led by former basketball great Earvin “Magic” Johnson and financier Mark Walter spent more than $2 billion to buy the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team and its stadium last week, one question led to some consternation.

Why should Frank McCourt, the notoriously wasteful outgoing owner, remain associated with the team, holding a 50 percent interest in the 200-plus acres of asphalt parking around Dodger Stadium?

After all, Dodger fans stayed away from games in droves last year to protest the personal use to which McCourt and his ex-wife Jamie put the team and its money. Fans wanted McCourt gone, even if that let him make off with hundreds of millions of dollars in profits after selling the ballclub.

The answer may have a lot to do with a loophole in Proposition 13, the landmark property tax limitation law passed as a 1978 initiative. That law sets the tax on any property, commercial or residential, at 1 percent of the latest sales price and allows for tax increases of no more than 2 percent per year.”

The complete story can be read at http://www.redding.com/news/2012/apr/03/tom-elias-the-dodger-deals-prop-13-loophole/


So far, so good for the 2012 Dodgers.  Kershaw and Kemp are continuing their torrid 2011 performances.  Ethier is looking good with a huge slugging percentage.  Dee Gordon is setting the table for those guys and, while his batting average does not show it, Mark Ellis has done what the team wanted and hit several balls to the right side to move Gordon to third base and scoring position for Kemp.  Even Uribe has scratched out a few hits.  But James Loney is 0 for 2012.  He is a vital piece of the puzzle if the Dodgers have any hope of playing in October.  With new owners committed to winning and possessing some money, Loney could find himself on another team in August if he doesn’t start hitting the gaps and driving in runs.

272 Responses to A method to their madness

  1. vl4eccjr says:


  2. trublu4ever says:

    Billz just gave up a dinger. Luckily for us, nobody else was on base. He is still looking much better…..let’s hope we can give him some run support.

  3. nellyjune says:

    Uh oh!! It’s okay Chad! We can get that run back.

  4. vl4eccjr says:

    Billz is fortunate to only be down a run. If it was a day game, he’d be down by three.

  5. trublu4ever says:

    Not a very big crowd tonight, either. It could be the lousy weather but, I ws expecting to see more people there.

  6. dodgereric says:

    ………and the crap just keeps on comin’………

    HEADLINE: “L.A. Times objects to Dodgers’ bid to seal conditions of land use”

    “The Dodgers have asked the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for permission to file those conditions under seal, citing the “sensitive non-public commercial information” within. Attorneys for The Times argued that the Dodgers have not provided any evidence to support that claim or shown why it should outweigh “the well-established presumption of public access to judicial records.”


    • nellyjune says:

      We all knew this wasn’t going to go off without some wrenches thrown in, but this is kind of getting ridiculous.

  7. vl4eccjr says:

    Thanks Juan!

  8. 32and53fan says:

    Artist: The Who
    Song: Won’t Get Fooled Again

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgment of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again

    The change it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fall that’s all
    But the world looks just the same
    And history ain’t changed
    ‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie

    Do ya?

    There’s nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again
    No, no!


    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

  9. trublu4ever says:

    The gnats’ supposedly fantastic pitching staff has gven up 16 runs tonight….and, the game isn’t over yet 😉

  10. enchantedbeaver says:

    Nice job 32. That may be our first song of 2012.

    I see we’re mashing again tonight. If this team can’t hit against Pittsburgh and SD, how are they going to hit against good teams?

  11. enchantedbeaver says:

    Looks like I might’ve arrived just in time for a good old fashioned Billz meltdown?

  12. vl4eccjr says:

    Whew! A twin killing is Billz best friend getting out of that jam!

  13. vl4eccjr says:

    Matt’s dialed in tonight.

  14. vl4eccjr says:

    Dre is the man!

  15. trublu4ever says:


  16. nedisajerk says:

    I didn’t check the other thread but I know someone mention Broxton blowing a save today. Look like Escobar error didn’t help much since those 2 runs were unearned.

  17. nellyjune says:


  18. enchantedbeaver says:

    I can see tomorrow’s story [again]: …and Ethier singled in the go ahead run in his salary drive for next season.

  19. nellyjune says:

    Sucks for Billz!!! Let’s hope James doesn’t waste the opportunity.

  20. enchantedbeaver says:

    Good as time as any for Loney to get his first hit.

  21. enchantedbeaver says:

    Loney’s legend lives on.

  22. nellyjune says:

    Billz is pissed, as he should be!

  23. vl4eccjr says:

    Loney continues to dig himself in deeper!

  24. trublu4ever says:

    Oh, God….not GrrrRear!

  25. nedisajerk says:

    Chad 77 ptches throught 6 innings I would be piss to if I was him.

  26. trublu4ever says:

    Nice play by Ellis.

  27. vl4eccjr says:

    Quick work for Grrear.
    Some insurance runs would be nice. . .

  28. nedisajerk says:

    I’m not really worry about Guerrier and yes he has his up and down but he doesn’t seem to scare me as much as MacDougal.

  29. vl4eccjr says:

    Nice going Juan!

  30. trublu4ever says:

    Woo-hoo…..Juan! And, let;s bring Dre home too!

  31. vl4eccjr says:

    Nice job junior!

  32. nedisajerk says:

    I love Jansen.

  33. vl4eccjr says:

    Loney continues to peg the suck-o-meter. . .

  34. enchantedbeaver says:

    Mark Ellis – this year’s Jamey Carroll. Can’t drive in a run to save his soul.

  35. trublu4ever says:

    Way to go guys…..we are in 1st Place!! I love L.A. !!!!!

  36. vl4eccjr says:

    Javy gets another save!

  37. vl4eccjr says:

    Javy says “AMF!”

  38. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Another beautiful win for the Dodgers, now 5-1.

  39. nedisajerk says:

    Stadium Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles, CA
    Attendance 29,729 (53.1% full) – % is based on regular season capacity
    Game Time 2:47

  40. nellyjune says:

    All Los Angeles teams won tonight!!
    Dodgers won!
    Kings won!
    Lakers won!
    Clippers won!

  41. nedisajerk says:

    Wow Durant goes 7/21 but miss a GW 3’s and Westbrook goes 3/14 and they combined to go 10/35 that kind of impressive by the Clippers.

  42. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo, we win!!!!

    I hope Loney finds his stroke soon. We are counting on him much more than Uribum. Gonna need more from Capuano and Harang than their initial showings to stay in the race.

    Have a great day everyone…..

  43. nedisajerk says:

    Jonathan Broxton becomes first pitcher in 46 years to hit two batters to end a game


    I normally don’t read Big League Stew on yahoo sport blog but couldn’t resist.

  44. enchantedbeaver says:

    Hey Shad, you were asking yesterday about Brox… he was between 92-95 for the most part on his 4-seamer, though he hit 98 once and 96-97 a few times.

  45. trublu4ever says:

    It is so stormy here, I pray I don’t lose power tonight….thunder, lightning and tons of rain scare the hell out of me!

  46. oldbrooklynfan says:

    Broxton sure picked an odd way to end a game but– it’s baseball.

  47. enchantedbeaver says:

    Quick trey.

    It actually does make a difference if your 6 and 7 guys can get a hit now and then.

  48. koufax1963 says:

    Loney delivers an rbi on his 1st hit, and yawn urbi-less follows through. hmmmm! thunder / lightning in bay area

  49. vl4eccjr says:

    I believe Capuguano & Lilly will be in a close race on who gives up the most dingers this season.

    • enchantedbeaver says:

      Might as well stick a fork in him, he’s done for this game. Another 4-5 inning starter.

      Thanks Ned. Glad we have him next year too.

  50. vl4eccjr says:

    Ruh Roh!
    It’s McDoo-doo!

  51. enchantedbeaver says:

    Pretty sad when the best you have to bring up as a pinch hitter is Adam Kennedy.

  52. enchantedbeaver says:

    A lot like last year – score a few in the first or second inning and never come close again. Its like they figure their work is done and just mail in the last 7-8 innings.

    • vl4eccjr says:

      Okay. Who closes tonight? Leave in Grrear? Coffey? Kenley & Javy need a break. They can’t pitch every day.

  53. enchantedbeaver says:

    Javy says, “Damn Donnie, don’t wear out my arm like Joe would’ve.”

  54. vl4eccjr says:

    What does Javy say?

  55. enchantedbeaver says:

    Well VL, guess it was just you and me tonight cowboy. Wondering if TruMom lost power. Raining/hailing up here.

    Anyway, have a great evening!!

  56. nellyjune says:

    Way to go Dodgers!!!
    Enchanted – It hailed and rained buckets here!! Lights flickered but I never lost power completely. I hope all is well with you up in the mountains.

    • trublu4ever says:

      Sorry I missed all the fun last night….I didn’t exactly lose power but, my internet connection was ka-put! Lost it right after I posted about how bad the weather was….at least I got to watch the game.

  57. koufax1963 says:

    cappy pitched alright, and loney, finally! just 3 in the first makes me wonder about offense, ah! shots around the blog, its a big dodger sweep!

  58. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I hope we can get a bunch of runs tomorrow night but if we get into another save situation, Mattingly will probably use Jansen, I don’t think he’d go to Guerra 4 mights in a row.
    6-1, best start in 31 years
    GO DODGERS!!!!

  59. nedisajerk says:

    Top 9th: Milwaukee
    – N. Morgan grounded out to shortstop
    – R. Braun struck out swinging
    – N. Aoki safe at first on pitcher M. Garza’s throwing error, N. Aoki to second
    – G. Kottaras hit for T. Dillard
    – S. Camp relieved M. Garza
    – G. Kottaras grounded out to shortstop

    Kind of suck for fantasy owners missing out on a Garza CG/SO

  60. grizzy says:

    I’ve got to say I’m mildly surprised. Two series wins.

  61. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo, Sweep!!!

    It is encouraging to see the team get off to a good start in this 2012 campaign. Also, nice to see Uribe and Loney actually contribute something to the offense.

    It’s only one week however. It is way too early to get too up or down on a player. Now, if your still stinking it up in May, the kid gloves are off.

    Have a great day everyone…..

    • JhallWally says:

      Also, it is very encouraging from reading the articles about the new ownership and specifically Kasten, I don’t get the feeling Nedcompoop is going to have the final say on trades and signings. I don’t want him around in any capacity, but, I think he will just be a puppet GM under this new regime until he is eventually dismissed.

      • nellyjune says:

        It’s really good news! 🙂

        • trublu4ever says:

          It sure is!

        • JhallWally says:

          Hi’Ya Tru and Nelly…

          It’s just my opinion/gut feeling. I just can’t see Kasten signing off on most of the trades and signings that Ned has made….
          I am looking forward to building from within and mostly young homegrown talent. The old “Dodger Way” and coincidently, the way Kasten built the Braves into a dynasty, perennial contender, and respected franchise. A strong farm system and player development is money well spent. It provides much more flexibility and long term sustainability. Free agency is a great way to add a piece or two to get over the hump. And that is only if you have a GM that has a clue about evaluating baseball talent. Unlike Nedcompoop. It is not good for building a whole freaking team. Especially with an ignoramous like Colletti at the helm…..

          • enchantedbeaver says:

            Ned will go down in the annuls of other greats. Like the captain of the Titanic, the Hindenburg…

            BTW, its friggin snowing up here.

          • nellyjune says:

            Oh no enchanted!!! That will make the neighbors even crazier……if that is possible – LMAO!!!!

          • sparkleplenty1 says:

            We’re experiencing very heavy rain in So Cal right now; there is even a slight possibility of a tornado in/around Fullerton-Brea! Unbelievable . . .

            BTW, I watched the game from a nearby restaurant the other night; the closed caption option was thoroughly bad. But the funniest butchering of names happened to be that of Andre. They kept calling in “Either Year”.

          • crash24now says:

            Wondering if we’ll get the game in tonight after a full day of rain and thunderstorms…

            Hoping that Vinny will be back…

            Lineup tonight – Whence Gordon?

            Gwynn LF
            Ellis 2B
            Kemp CF
            Rivera 1B
            Ethier RF
            Uribe 3B
            Sellers SS
            AJEllis C
            Harang P

            Oh well, Tattoo for Tru!

  62. trublu4ever says:

    I’m glad Tattoo is getting a chance to play tonight. However, I think as soon as they activate Lilly, he will be sent down.

  63. JhallWally says:

    Well, I wonder what we will get from Haranguano tonight?

  64. trublu4ever says:

    Dodgers sale is officially finalized. Judge Gross approved the sale after much arguing centering on documents and parking lots. In the end, Judge said HE would mediate any disputes surrounding parking lots, not MLB or a mediator, as Frrank wanted.

  65. oldbrooklynfan says:

    I’m just wondering about Aaron Harang at the moment. He better be better than he was on Sunday.

  66. sparkleplenty1 says:

    Struck out the side – looking okay for now, but it’s too early to tell.

  67. enchantedbeaver says:

    So we replace our .200 leadoff man with a … .200 hitting leadoff man?

  68. vl4eccjr says:

    With all these ‘K’s’, I guess Harangutang ate his Wheaties this morning.

  69. JhallWally says:

    Well, it looks like Logenio has been pretty much relegated to a straight platoon at 1st. Sure hope he gets it together.

  70. enchantedbeaver says:

    I see we’re going to be grinding again tonight.

  71. vl4eccjr says:

    Where did Miles end up going?

  72. JhallWally says:

    Wow!!! 9 straight K’s….

  73. nellyjune says:

    Way to go Aaron Harang!!! 9 K’s in a row and a new Dodger record. He’s got some of Andre’s chip on his shoulder too 🙂
    We need to score some runs!!!

  74. enchantedbeaver says:

    Rally time!!

  75. enchantedbeaver says:

    Jeez, the crowd looks pathetic again tonight.

  76. enchantedbeaver says:

    Lookout! Its Jamey Ellis.

  77. sparkleplenty1 says:


  78. trublu4ever says:

    Ha…..Ellis gets rbis!

  79. sparkleplenty1 says:

    The more I see of AJ Ellis, the better I like him.

  80. vl4eccjr says:

    WOW! Any way you can get them I guess!!

  81. trublu4ever says:

    Come on Dre…do your thing!

  82. sparkleplenty1 says:


  83. enchantedbeaver says:

    Let’s see if it’ll work again…

    Dre sucks against lefties…

  84. nellyjune says:

    It’s NL RBI Leader, Andre Ethier 🙂

  85. vl4eccjr says:

    DOH!!! So much for tying the record. .

  86. sparkleplenty1 says:

    and there goes the shut out . . . . .

  87. JhallWally says:

    Ka-Boom!! Wrong kind of K…. Hope he can keep the wheels on the wagon….

  88. enchantedbeaver says:

    Think Harangatan is going to be done after 5 (if not sooner) with all the pitches he’s throwing

  89. trublu4ever says:


  90. enchantedbeaver says:

    Harang’s pulling a Billz and giving the lead right back the next inning.

  91. nellyjune says:

    Way to go Justin!!!!

  92. sparkleplenty1 says:

    All right AJ!!

  93. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG Junior!

  94. sparkleplenty1 says:


  95. vl4eccjr says:

    Matt delivers!

  96. trublu4ever says:

    Awesome!!!! That’s the way to hit, guys!

  97. nellyjune says:

    Way to go AJ!!!
    Way to go Matt!!!

  98. enchantedbeaver says:

    Harang needs to shut the door now.

  99. nellyjune says:

    I am really liking AJ Ellis. So happy he is getting a legitimate season to prove he can do this. He did the forward in Clayton and Ellen’s book, and he has intrigued me ever since. He knows his pitcher’s well.

  100. trublu4ever says:

    BooRibe drives me nuts!

  101. DodgerZona says:

    Hey all…Just dropping in real quick to say hi….Hope all is well with all of you….Wow 13 K’s for Harang….Have a great night

  102. crash24now says:

    Just catching up…

    What? Thirteen strikeouts? Where’d he come from?

    What? No more Lingerie football? What’s a guy to do?

  103. vl4eccjr says:

    Time to see what temp the Coffey is. . .Hot, lukewarm, or cold?

  104. enchantedbeaver says:

    Hope they haven’t optioned Lindblom out already. How could anyone compare Coffey and Lindblom and want to keep Coffey?

  105. trublu4ever says:

    Holy crap! You’re right, Enchanted…..we need Lindblom more than this piece of crap!

  106. crash24now says:

    Time to throw out the Coffey grounds with the trash. DFA him!

  107. enchantedbeaver says:

    Elbert needs to pull his head out or they can DFA him too.

  108. nellyjune says:

    The Rox beat the D-Backs!!!

  109. vl4eccjr says:

    Matt caught napping!

  110. vl4eccjr says:

    Jeez! A terrible report card for the bully tonight!

  111. trublu4ever says:

    Way to go, Mr. Lindblom!

  112. vl4eccjr says:

    Lindblom just removed ALL doubt as to who should be kicked to the curb!
    Great Job!

  113. vl4eccjr says:

    Time for K-J!

  114. vl4eccjr says:

    Wow! Impressive! The Kings leave Vancouver up 2-0 in their series.

    • nellyjune says:

      I was going back and forth between the games. That Kings game was amazing as well. Those Canucks have got to go!!

  115. trublu4ever says:


  116. vl4eccjr says:

    Sheee – yit!!!
    I was worried about that with K-J’s velocity down!!!

  117. enchantedbeaver says:

    Damn. I’m starting to think Kenley’s the one who’ll get sent down.

  118. trublu4ever says:

    There is no excuse for our “pitching staff” to give up 8 runs to this team!

  119. JhallWally says:

    Crap!! Except for Lindblom and Guerra, our bullpen is a mess…

  120. trublu4ever says:

    Looks like it’s going to be up to James 😉

  121. enchantedbeaver says:

    James’ Oh-fifty is on the line…

  122. enchantedbeaver says:

    Andre sucks. (mojo mojo mojo)

  123. trublu4ever says:


  124. vl4eccjr says:

    It’s a really ugly way to win, but we’ll take it!

  125. JhallWally says:

    Woo-Hoo, Walk Streak!!!

  126. oldbrooklynfan says:

    GOOD EYES!!!!!!!!!!!

  127. nellyjune says:

    WOW!!!! What a walk that was!!!

  128. enchantedbeaver says:

    Lilly still starting tomorrow? May be a great time for one of Joe’s patented throw away games – Hairston – Treanor – Kennedy. Wright can come in after Lilly’s given up 7 in 5…

  129. JhallWally says:

    What a game!! Have a great evening everyone. Catch you all down the road….

  130. trublu4ever says:

    Me too….this old lady needs her beauty rest 😉

  131. martinloneykemp says:

    I guess I understand the tax implications of Guggenheim allowing McSlime to remain a partial owner of the parking lots.
    But how does that explain Magic sitting next to aforementioned slimeball on Opening Day in San Diego?

  132. enchantedbeaver says:

    So rather than DFA the bum, Ned puts Coffey on the DL with a “bad knee.” Why does Ned continue to maipulate the DL just to keep garbage like this around? Bad enough he signs it, but then he has to bag it and save it for later. Do have to admit though, there can’t be too many pitchers around with an ERA of 36.00 that own a 1-0 record.

    • trublu4ever says:

      The only good thing about this is that Lindblom & Sellers are stiil on the team.

    • sparkleplenty1 says:

      Far be it from me to argue with Ned and his DL decisions, but Coffey’s knee didn’t look “bad” when he ran in from the bull pen last night. Guess it happened on his way to the dugout after he was through throwing batting practice during last night’s game.

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