Before 32 and 53…

…there was 14.

One of my first memories of the Dodgers was listening to the 1959 World Series with my brother.  Larry Sherry generated a lot of excitement because of his excellent performances coming out of the bullpen which contributed greatly to the Dodgers winning the World Championship.  For position players however, my favorite was Gil Hodges, who proudly wore uniform number 14.  I enjoyed reading the yearbooks that touted his Brooklyn background both on the field and at home.  Along with Duke Snider, Hodges provided much of the power during the 1950’s and his 1001 RBIs were the most for any player in that decade apart from Snider.   He hit 30 or more home runs every season from 1950 to 1954 and over 100 RBIs every year from 1949 to 1955.  He won three Gold Gloves as the Dodger’s first baseman.  On October 10, 1961, I was sad when the New York Mets selected Hodges in the National League Expansion Draft.  He was warmly received as a hometown favorite upon his return to New York.

Here is some news out of Cooperstown, NY as reported by ESPN.com:

Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Ron Santo and Luis Tiant are among 10 candidates for the baseball Hall of Fame who will be on the Veterans Committee ballot next month.

Former players Ken Boyer, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva, Allie Reynolds as well as former Dodgers general manager Buzzie Bavasi and former Athletics owner Charlie Finley also will be on the Golden Era ballot, which will be voted on by the 16-member committee on Dec. 5 at the winter meetings in Dallas.

This year’s committee will consider candidates from the so-called “Golden Era,” from 1947-72.

An eight-time All-Star, Hodges helped the Dodgers win seven pennants and two World Series, then managed the New York Mets to their first World Series title in 1969. His 63.4 percent vote on his final BBWAA ballot in 1983 is the highest percentage for a player who didn’t enter the Hall in a later year.

Those voting on their Hall of Fame chances include Hall of Famers Hank Aaron, Al Kaline, Ralph Kiner, Tom Lasorda, Juan Marichal, Brooks Robinson, Don Sutton and Billy Williams, executives Paul Beeston, Bill DeWitt, Roland Hemond, Gene Michael and Al Rosen (retired) and veteran reporters Dick Kaegel, Jack O’Connell and Dave Van Dyck.

Candidates must receive votes on 75 percent of the ballot to be elected. Those elected will be inducted on July 22 along with any players voted in by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America on Jan. 9.

The last few years have seen an up-swell in support for Hodges to be voted into the Hall of Fame.  Hopefully the veterans committee will do what the BBWAA failed to accomplish and honor this great Dodger.

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108 Responses to Before 32 and 53…

  1. Nellyjune says:

    Very cool story 32and53fan!! I know now how amazing Gil Hodges was back then. However, my first memory of a Dodger wearing number 14 was Mike Scioscia. Still wish he was with the Dodgers organization.

  2. trublu4ever says:

    Thank-you for bringing back some very pleasant memories for me. Loved, loved, loved Gil & Duke.

  3. JhallWally says:

    Great thread 32/53.. I hope the committee finally gets it right and votes Hodges into the HOF. Good Luck Gil!!!!

  4. JhallWally says:

    Here is a short synopsis of how the sale process will play out. Sounds like it could take a while. Just more time for Nedcompoop to continue his blundering. Getting rid of Ned as soon as possible is the most important reason I hope that getting a new owner in place doesn’t take too long. That, and I fear that if we don’t get a new owner soon, we will lose Matt Kemp.

    http://espn.go.com/losangeles/conversations/_/id/7188335/sale-los-angeles-dodgers-complicated-process

    • JhallWally says:

      I think the bidding for Kemp starts at the Carl Crawford deal and goes up from there. So, at least $140M to start for 6 or 7 years. And with Stewart, I believe the price will be higher. You can bet on the fact that Stewart knows that the Yankoffs and Red Sux will drive the price out of sight if he hits free agency.

      I’m really not all that optimistic about getting a deal done with Kemp unfortunately. Due to the Dodgers financial situation, the sale timetable, and of course, Nedcompoop.

      I truely hope I am wrong and a deal gets done soon.

  5. It is unfortunate for myself to be a Dodger fan and never to of seen the Glory Years and the best players to ever don a Dodger uniform. Never saw Koufax, Fernando, Orel, Duke, Campanella, Hodges or any other famous Dodger from the 90’s on back. All I have is the video and stats and it just ain’t the same, but I do know one thing, and it is that Hodges has been stripped of a right that he rightfully earned and that is entering the HOF. He was an amazing talent in his day and, much as can be said of today’s players, he would still outhit alot of today’s players.

    As for Kemp and Kersh, at this pace, they’ll need to keep building that trophy room up and up to place those upcoming Cy Young and MVP award. Now if only Ned would’ve of signed Matt long term last off-season, all this increase due to winning awards would’ve been covered. No arbitration and a deal till he was 31 would’ve been good last off-season. Same thing for Kersh. A contract till he was 32 would’ve been good as well.

    But then again, this is wishful thinking and relishing on the past.

  6. lbirken says:

    It is certainly hard to compare players from different eras but I agree Hodges deserves to be in the HOF. No doubt the size of Ebbets Field helped some of the power numbers but when compared to his peers, Hodges could do it all. I only got to see some of the former Brooklyn stars on the decline after the team moved to L.A. but those players became instant stars regardless of what they did in L.A. because of what they had already accomplished.

    Funny, but we have discussed many times the failure of the Dodgers to develope a legitimate power hitter and superstar everyday player who had all the tools. Now that we have one and he is winning or poised to win the top awards, we have already decided we won’t be able to keep him.

  7. I’ve been waiting for many years for the Dodgers to retire Hodges’ number 14. He’s still a legend to this team. I don’t see the logic in waiting for him to enter the Hall of Fame first, before they do..

    • trublu4ever says:

      I agree, OBF.

      • lbirken says:

        Seems to be a matter of tradition to retire uniform numbers of HOF honorees. I think the exception is Jim Gilliam who passed away while a member of the coaching staff. I think this is a good standard to keep even if I find it difficult to watch players wearing certain uniforma numbers such as #6 and #30 just to name two. I doubt Garvey or Wills will ever be selected to the HOF but to me they were HOF’s.

        • While it’s obvious that not everyone will make the HOF, Gil should make it. He’s been long overdue. However, I do feel that in the same sense that Dodger Stadium is a relic, that we should have a place where we honor past Dodgers, such as they do in Yankee Stadium with Monument Park. As was said a couple years ago now, that was Franks idea whilst improving the stadium.

          Sad that it hasn’t come to fruition to this date, but in order to truly appreciate all great Dodgers, and in this sense I do include Steve Finley for his GS that sent the Dodgers to the playoffs in 2004 and Marlon Anderson and Garciappara in 2006 with the back to back to back to back HR game, we should have a place where year round, people can go and see what is hidden from us, and that is Dodger history. I’ve seen some things, such as jerseys, bats, signs and a bench from Ebbets, but in all honesty, they are just there.

          True, players such as Pedro will go in as a Red Sox and Ethier probably won’t, Konerko and Carlos Santana will probably never be remembered as Dodger farmhands or mayor acquisitions that helped shape the Dodger franchise, but they all deserve to at least be remembered. Wally Moon, Tommy John, etc. Even a Frank & Fox exhibit just because of the fact that in all his deception and lies, he did do “some” good. He did steer the franchise to 4 playoffs in his tenure, better than any other point in Dodger history, and he did give to a community by building those Dodger dream fields, and helped the Dodger charity and made the LA Marathon funner. It’s true that he did steal, embezzle and lie his way into his own demise, but he didn’t do it without doing some good.

          I guess, in a way, we will all remember him for all the bad he did and the prospects he traded away instead of having to pay a cent of a players contract, he couldn’t pay players, concessions were crap, security, parking increases and such, but we were all happy when we made the playoffs, when Manny was here, when we were within 6 outs and some of making the WS, twice in succesive years. So, in a way, he will ride on out in defeat, but he deserves his own section in history. Same as Fox and O’Malley for their parts in Dodger history.

          (To make things clear, I’m not a Frank sympathizer or such, but he does deserve some credit for what he did do right, even in all his malevolence)

          • 32and53fan says:

            I don’t know if Frank stole or embezzled anything from the Dodgers. We live in a capitalist country and the laws are shaped by the rich using their hired gun lobbyists to get congress to vote their interests into law. Guys like McCourt surround themselves with legal and financial experts who know how to play the game to maximize profits and to avoid taxes as much as possible while staying just on the edge of the law. He is no different than corporate CEOs whose goal is driving up the shareholder value and his own compensation even if it means shutting down plants and devastating entire towns sometimes as long as they can maximize earnings per share.

            McCourt’s failings were in his ethics and morals. He would gladly smile and shake hands with the fans while posing for photos, then go back to his office to plot how to move Dodger assets into separate business entities. While drawing exorbitant amounts of money from the team to feed his nouveau riche lifestyle may have been legal, it priced the average fan out of taking his family to the game and getting decent seats and prevented the team from competing at the highest level. While he may have done some good things, the best thing he did was realize that he could not survive his PR disaster and decided to sell the team.

            Peter O’Malley has a patrician air about him and I don’t remember him mingling with the unwashed fans as much as McCourt. I once tried to approach Mr. O’Malley at Holman Stadium in Vero Beach to say hello and was waved off by an usher a couple of rows behind him. It felt like I was broaching protocol by approaching royalty or something. I’m sure that O’Malley is friendly and affable in his inner circle of peers and colleagues, but I never had the feeling that he was that warm to the general public in terms of making opportunities to meet and greet. I was also present at the Sportsman’s Lodge when Vin Scully received an award from the Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters and O’Malley was in the audience. After the event, he was not mingling with the attendees; he was nowhere to be seen. Scully was not very happy either; he was roped into signing autographs but had a huge scowl on his face because he wanted to get out of there and go back to Thousand Oaks to be with his injured wife. Lasorda was happily posing for pictures with people. I was able to have a nice chat with Jaime Jarrin and Tommy Hawkins and even managed to have a few words with Ned Colletti.

            Normally to make a small fortune owning a baseball team, you have to start out with a large fortune. McCourt tried to do it backwards.

  8. nedisajerk says:

    Former ’60 Minutes’ commentator Andy Rooney dies

    NEW YORK (AP) — Andy Rooney so dreaded the day he had to end his signature “60 Minutes” commentaries about life’s large and small absurdities that he kept going until he was 92 years old.

    Even then, he said he wasn’t retiring. Writers never retire. But his life after the end of “A Few Minutes With Andy Rooney” was short: He died Friday night, according to CBS, only a month after delivering his 1,097th and final televised commentary.

    Rooney had gone to the hospital for an undisclosed surgery, but major complications developed and he never recovered.

    Rooney talked on “60 Minutes” about what was in the news, and his opinions occasionally got him in trouble. But he was just as likely to discuss the old clothes in his closet, why air travel had become unpleasant and why banks needed to have important sounding names.

    He won one of his four Emmy Awards for a piece on whether there was a real Mrs. Smith who made Mrs. Smith’s Pies. As it turned out, there was no Mrs. Smith.

    “I obviously have a knack for getting on paper what a lot of people have thought and didn’t realize they thought,” Rooney once said. “And they say, ‘Hey, yeah!’ And they like that.”

    Looking for something new to punctuate its weekly broadcast, “60 Minutes” aired its first Rooney commentary on July 2, 1978. He complained about people who keep track of how many people die in car accidents on holiday weekends. In fact, he said, the Fourth of July is “one of the safest weekends of the year to be going someplace.”

    More than three decades later, he was railing about how unpleasant air travel had become. “Let’s make a statement to the airlines just to get their attention,” he said. “We’ll pick a week next year and we’ll all agree not to go anywhere for seven days.”

    In early 2009, as he was about to turn 90, Rooney looked ahead to President Barack Obama’s upcoming inauguration with a look at past inaugurations. He told viewers that Calvin Coolidge’s 1925 swearing-in was the first to be broadcast on radio, adding, “That may have been the most interesting thing Coolidge ever did.”

    “Words cannot adequately express Andy’s contribution to the world of journalism and the impact he made — as a colleague and a friend — upon everybody at CBS,” said Leslie Moonves, CBS Corp. president and CEO.

    Jeff Fager, CBS News chairman and “60 Minutes” executive producer, said “it’s hard to imagine not having Andy around. He loved his life and he lived it on his own terms. We will miss him very much.”

    For his final essay, Rooney said that he’d live a life luckier than most.

    “I wish I could do this forever. I can’t, though,” he said.

    He said he probably hadn’t said anything on “60 Minutes” that most of his viewers didn’t already know or hadn’t thought. “That’s what a writer does,” he said. “A writer’s job is to tell the truth.”

    True to his occasional crotchety nature, though, he complained about being famous or bothered by fans. His last wish from fans: If you see him in a restaurant, just let him eat his dinner.

    Rooney was a freelance writer in 1949 when he encountered CBS radio star Arthur Godfrey in an elevator and — with the bluntness millions of people learned about later — told him his show could use better writing. Godfrey hired him and by 1953, when he moved to TV, Rooney was his only writer.

    He wrote for CBS’ Garry Moore during the early 1960s before settling into a partnership with Harry Reasoner at CBS News. Given a challenge to write on any topic, he wrote “An Essay on Doors” in 1964, and continued with contemplations on bridges, chairs and women.

    “The best work I ever did,” Rooney said. “But nobody knows I can do it or ever did it. Nobody knows that I’m a writer and producer. They think I’m this guy on television.”

    He became such a part of the culture that comic Joe Piscopo satirized Rooney’s squeaky voice with the refrain, “Did you ever wonder …” Rooney never started any of his essays that way. For many years, “60 Minutes” improbably was the most popular program on television and a dose of Rooney was what people came to expect for a knowing smile on the night before they had to go back to work.

    Rooney left CBS in 1970 when it refused to air his angry essay about the Vietnam War. He went on TV for the first time, reading the essay on PBS and winning a Writers Guild of America award for it.

    He returned to CBS three years later as a writer and producer of specials. Notable among them was the 1975 “Mr. Rooney Goes to Washington,” whose lighthearted but serious look at government won him a Peabody Award for excellence in broadcasting.

    His words sometimes landed Rooney in hot water. CBS suspended him for three months in 1990 for making racist remarks in an interview, which he denied. Rooney, who was arrested in Florida while in the Army in the 1940s for refusing to leave a seat among blacks on a bus, was hurt deeply by the charge of racism.

    Gay rights groups were mad, during the AIDS epidemic, when Rooney mentioned homosexual unions in saying “many of the ills which kill us are self-induced.” Indians protested when Rooney suggested Native Americans who made money from casinos weren’t doing enough to help their own people.

    The Associated Press learned the danger of getting on Rooney’s cranky side. In 1996, AP Television Writer Frazier Moore wrote a column suggesting it was time for Rooney to retire. On Rooney’s next “60 Minutes” appearance, he invited those who disagreed to make their opinions known. The AP switchboard was flooded by some 7,000 phone calls and countless postcards were sent to the AP mail room.

    “Your piece made me mad,” Rooney told Moore two years later. “One of my major shortcomings — I’m vindictive. I don’t know why that is. Even in petty things in my life I tend to strike back. It’s a lot more pleasurable a sensation than feeling threatened.”He was one of television’s few voices to strongly oppose the war in Iraq after the George W. Bush administration launched it in 2002. After the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, he said he was chastened by its quick fall but didn’t regret his “60 Minutes” commentaries.

    “I’m in a position of feeling secure enough so that I can say what I think is right and if so many people think it’s wrong that I get fired, well, I’ve got enough to eat,” Rooney said at the time.

    Andrew Aitken Rooney was born on Jan. 14, 1919, in Albany, N.Y., and worked as a copy boy on the Albany Knickerbocker News while in high school. College at Colgate University was cut short by World War II, when Rooney worked for Stars and Stripes.

    With another former Stars and Stripes staffer, Oram C. Hutton, Rooney wrote four books about the war. They included the 1947 book, “Their Conqueror’s Peace: A Report to the American Stockholders,” documenting offenses against the Germans by occupying forces.

    Rooney and his wife, Marguerite, were married for 62 years before she died of heart failure in 2004. They had four children and lived in New York, with homes in Rowayton, Conn., and upstate New York. Daughter Emily Rooney is a former executive producer of ABC’s “World News Tonight.” Brian was a longtime ABC News correspondent, Ellen a photographer and Martha Fishel is chief of the public service division of the U.S. National Library of Medicine

  9. Lee Dambis says:

    With Frank now ready to cut any ties to LA, does anybody think he cares what happens with the Dodgers beyond just realizing the highest sale bid?
    Good bye Matt and anybody else who matters for the future of our team.

    • 32and53fan says:

      Welcome to Outside the Dodgers Lee. I think you hit the nail on the head. He is concerned with walking out with the highest profit he can get. However, signing Matt to a long term contract might help him get more money from the sale.

      • trublu4ever says:

        Okay, Lee, what did you do to Messagebear?!

        • messagebear says:

          I wish I knew. When I tried to post my message, the system asked me to log in, and I thought I did. I must have had two separate accounts in the WordPress, and it somehow used my personal one instead of the “messagebear”. I think I have that corrected now, but sometimes these systems get the better of me.

    • JhallWally says:

      Wah-Hoo, the bear has a name. Totally agree with you. Frank doesn’t give a crap what happens to the Dodgers. He just wants to get as much money as he can. I do think signing Kemp long term adds value to the team.

  10. Now that Bear has been unmasked, its time for me to come clean.

    I’m really Ned.

    😮

  11. nellyjune says:

    LMAO!!! This the first time I opened up this site today, and it really made me laugh. Funny stuff boys and girls!!

  12. nedisajerk says:

    RIP Boxing great Joe Frazier

  13. JhallWally says:

    It freaking figures. Damn hard to kill off a cockroach infestation.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/11/mccourt-might-still-try-selling-dodgers-tv-rights.html

    Is this guy for real, or what. Geez!!! Just go away already.

    • It won’t surprise me to see Frank take a scorched earth policy with the franchise. Its his way of saying FU to Bud, MLB, and L.A. for wanting him out.

      • JhallWally says:

        No doubt. It is his MO. Doesn’t look like anything is going to get done very soon.

        • What do you want to bet he and his lawyers try and pull a fast one (in small type) in the purchase contract? Something like retaining the parking lots, or the concessions, or any number of other things. Whoever purchases the team had better go over everything with a fine tooth comb before signing and handing over a billion dollars to this crook.

  14. trublu4ever says:

    Just read that the Rockies are interested in Carroll. Apparently, if we want him back it will cost us $8M for 2 years…..worth it, or not?

  15. Lee Dambis says:

    I like Carroll, but the idea of signing him for two years and $8 million is absolutely ridiculous. Having said that, I’m sure that Ned is seriously thinking about it.

    Looking at all the ways that Frank can screw up the sale of the franchise, I’m sure there is no certainty that any deal can be completed within a timeframe that will help the team and the fans for next year. Frank, of course, does not care and will do everything he can to extend the time and shore up the price. I sometimes wish there was a way for MLB just to “expell” the Dodgers, cancel their season for 2012 and restart the franchise from scratch. What’s the bid of sale going to be worth then, eh Frank?

  16. trublu4ever says:

    Now, what do we do if Kuroda decides to sign with the Carp? He was offered a contract. It’s either the Crap ( 😉 ) or us!

  17. selltheteam says:

    All this discussion of how the sale will go down is making me pessimistic about the chances of Matt Kemp being a Dodger in 2013. Sign me up on the list of those who want him to be, but don’t believe it’s going to happen. That will be a very sad day for all us Dodger fans.

  18. From an article on the Dodgers’ homepage:

    Ned – “But I’ve always used statistical analysis; we’ll use more of it now.

    Well, I guess if he actually looks at a guy’s ERA or average now, that WOULD constitute more than he used previously.

    Unfortunately that still leaves the “analysis” part…

  19. trublu4ever says:

    ESPN LA is reporting that Matt’s agent says things are moving in the right direction on a long term contract and a deal will be reached.

  20. nedisajerk says:

    What a tragedy for Kershaw to get a 5th places vote. The person who give it to him was from the SD blog and he also pick Hamels because he’s an SD native. Why couldn’t they named both CY winners on the same day?

    http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/9/2546299/clayton-kershaw-national-league-cy-young-award-roy-halladay

    • JhallWally says:

      What a huge crock of shit!!! This jerk-off should have his voting privilege revoked. He has clearly misused that privilege for his own selfish interests.

      Kersh got screwed by this piece of shit!!!!!

  21. JhallWally says:

    Well, at least we don’t have to worry about Nedcompoop signing Barajas to an overpaid ill-advised contract. My thanks to the Pittsburgh Pirates for beating him to it. Of course there is still alot of time and plenty of washed up/never were players out there in the baseball dumpster for Ned to keep honing his skill of buying MD 20-20 for Dom Perignon prices. It is unbelievable what teams are paying these days for crap.

  22. I’m disappointed that they let Barajas get away. I never understood how sports teams spent money so this doesn’t make sense to me. I figured the Dodgers wouldn’t go into spring training without a veteran catcher. Now it’s said that Colletti is seeking another veteran catcher. He had one why didn’t he he keep him.
    What is it? Do they get tired of the same faces?

  23. Nellyjune says:

    I have questions about why are they looking at veteran anything. I am not a big Barajas fan, but I agree Oldbrooklynfan. Why get rid of him to just turn around and find another one just like him. It doesn’t make any sense. Same thing goes for the infield. Why are we looking at Mark Ellis? Yea, he’s not bad, but we already have the veterans. So, why let go of the veterans we have to look for more veterans. Then there is pitching. Why go for pitchers like Francis? He hasn’t been any good since he left Colorado, and even then, most of our players had his number back then. I say…go with the young kids for once. I rather waste a year just to see what would happen if we just didn’t get any extra pvls. Bring up some of the young players and let them play. BTW – you would think by now Matt, Andre and James are our veterans. Let them lead the team for once.
    .
    As for the whole CY Young thing. Kershaw aside, how can any voter even think Cole Hamels deserved a vote? From what I saw this season, he isn’t even in the top 10 of NL pitchers. He is 3rd on his own team, and that is only because Oswalt got hurt. I am not understanding why anybody would even consider Cole Hamels over all the other pitchers to choose from this past season.
    .
    That is great news about the O’Malley’s and Vero Beach. Thanks for sharing Dodgereric 🙂

  24. Nellyjune says:

    As I am cautiously optimistic Frank is gone, I’m not sure buying season tickets is something I would be doing just yet.
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1111-dodgers-tickets-20111111,0,5970641.story

  25. trublu4ever says:

    Thank-you to all our veterans who have served…to those serving now and to those who will be serving in the future. You have made this country the best place on earth!

  26. nedisajerk says:

    Kemp 1st (1 5th places vote), Braun 2nd, Halladay 8th and Kershaw 9th.

    http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/11/2553632/national-league-mvp-matt-kemp

    • 32and53fan says:

      At least they were honest enough to say the only reason they (Padre fan blogger) gave Kershaw and Kemp 5th place votes is because they “f_ckin’ HATE the Dodgers.” It was nice that they both won but the SB Nation awards are, in the words of Jermaine Jackson, irrevelant [sic].

  27. trublu4ever says:

    Carroll is now a Twin.

  28. trublu4ever says:

    And, Papelbon is a Phillie!

  29. 32and53fan says:

    Tom Seaver supports Gil Hodges for HOF

  30. The fact that we even have to debate re-signing the likes of Barajas, Rivera, Miles and Carroll shows just how pathetic this franchise has become.

  31. Nellyjune says:

    I am not bothered so much about the Dodgers letting Barajas and Carroll go. I am more bothered by the fact that you know Ned isn’t going to get us anything better than the two he just let go.

    • He did say that he wanted some Veteran to help, and Bengie Molina’s name came up. What I’m thinking is, why not trade for a better catcher, younger, and with some decent speed. Federowicz is raw at best and peaked at worst. Ellis is solid, but from these two, no offense will ever see the light of day.

      But then I remember that Ned is still at the helm, and he’ll probably ask Paul Bako, Brentt Mayne, Danny Ardoin, Sandy Alomar Jr., Gary Benett, Toby Hall, or Jason Phillips and call it a great signing.

    • I saw that Jorge Posada is a free agent and will probably be available. He’s only 40 years old and his career peaked years ago. With a resume like that, he’s Neddie’s perfect candidate.

      • trublu4ever says:

        He sure is! 🙂

      • JhallWally says:

        LOL!! Well said Nelly, Sparky and Yung!!! Like Beav said, the fact that we are even debating the signing of this level of player is a sad statement to the condition of the Dodger franchise, team, and name.
        When Frank is gone, Nedcompoop will finally be held accountable for the crummy job he has done over the years.

        • Imagine what would of happened had we still had Carlos Santana and either Lucas May, Russell Martin, or A.J Ellis still lying around. We wouldn’t be having these doubts about this Federowicz fellow. What really bugs is that we use to have a top flight minor league system, pouring out ROTY’s, 20 game winners, HOF’ers, etc. Now, its only produced Clayton and Matt, with alot of ehhhh on the side. What would return this team to glory is putting money into the draft and international talent pool. We need Catchers, SS, and 3B. No more converting (Martin, Jansen, Loney) for other areas of strength in the minors. We have to consistently trade or look on the FA market for these positions because we do not build our own. And those are positions that are scarce as is.

          Look at all possible trades and leave nothing unturned. Marlins, Reds, Mets all have players that are rumored to be looking for trade partners. Same with Yankees and Red Sox. Marlins got Hanley and Gaby Sanchez, if they get Reyes and Pujols, Reds got Votto, Grandal, Stubbs etc. Mets have Wright and Yankees have Gary Sanchez, and Red Sox have Middlebrooks, Anderson, Iglesias etc.

          It’s not as if I’m saying that this solves all, but if we’re going to look at trading Bills, Ethier, we might as well get something of value in return, and these trade options above, are a good start

  32. JhallWally says:

    The way I see it is:
    Biggest holes: #2 Starter, 2B, 3B, C.

    We need a real #2 starter to be a contender. Could be Kuroda. We need a definite upgrade at either 2B or 3B. Uribe takes the left over position for $8M reasons and hope for the best.
    Catcher. Would be nice to upgrade, but, should not be a primary focus as there is not a good option available and there are too many other gaping holes to fill. Spend the money on a #2 starter, or 2B/3B.

    Keys to contending in 2012:
    Loney, Uribe, Ethier, and Billz .

    It goes without saying, get Kemp signed to a long term contract. That is the priority this off season.

    • The key to this season comes down to Loney. If Loney develops his power, then Sands will stay at LF, Rivera stays backup, and we don’t go looking for 1B help. Meaning money free for help @ 3B which is what we need desperately and maybe a 2B, Kelly Johnson, and a #2 starter. Kuroda has to come back, but at less than $10 mil. No more Lilly deals.

  33. Hi OTD
    I see both instances differently. Carroll did just about what ever he was asked to do. He did a great job filling in whenever he was asked to. He maintained a high BA and set the tables nicely. His only downfall aside from his lack of power was he failed to drive in runs. I would’ve been happy if it stayed as it was but he has a desire to play as a starter and we’re all looking for someone to drive in runs. So this had to be.
    As far as Barajas goes, I can’t understand why he couldn’t fill the bill like any other veteran catcher. The only thing he lacked was owning a high BA. He proved to be a HR threat at the plate.
    I know there’s a thing called salary and if anything I hope Ned’s saving the money for multi-year contracts for both Matt & Andre and later on Clayton..

  34. More fun and games from Frank:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/11/frank-mccourt-fox-dodgers-tv-rights.html

    How is it supposed to be more valuable to the new owner NOT to negociate his own TV deal? All I smell is Frank negociating another personally profitable kickback ala the refinancing deal he had with Chase.

    Why can’t this guy be put in jail where he belongs?

    • trublu4ever says:

      What a piece of shit, he is!

    • JhallWally says:

      What I’m getting from this latest McCockroach manuever is that Frank wants to conduct an auction for the Dodgers future media rights to get an idea of what that number might ultimately be when the current contract expires. It is not to sell the rights. The new owner would not be obligated to accept the offer and would still be in control of the TV rights. It is just a way to try and increase the final price that the franchise and related entities sell for. From all that I’ve read, Frank needs the team to sell for over $1B to walk away with any significant profit after he pays off all the debt, Jamie, attorneys, and taxes.

      It is just another desperate act and I think the bankruptcy judge will not allow it to tie up and prolong the sale process. The judge has stated that it is in the best interests of the team, creditors, fans, MLB and all concerned for the sale to proceed quickly.

      At least that is what it reads like to me. I have no problem with Frank trying to get the most money he can from the sale. I just don’t want it to take another 6 months to a year to get it over with. The sooner the sale is completed and a new owner is in place, the sooner the Dodgers can become a proud and relevent franchise again.

      http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7229823/economists-say-1-billion-los-angeles-dodgers-realistic-price

  35. JhallWally says:

    Just a thought, but, I believe the informal boycott and resulting drastically reduced revenue had an effect and helped force McCockroach out. If he could have just held on for another year, he would have been free to sell the TV rights and survive. By cutting into his revenue he was forced to borrow from Peter to pay Paul and it caught up to him.

    My hats off to those Dodger fans who sacrificed of themselves and stayed away. Although it was a painful thing to do, it was necessary for the greater good of the franchise.

    Don’t however be fooled. Keep it up until the sale is final and McCockroach is actually gone. Don’t give the snake any wiggle room.

    • Nellyjune says:

      It was hard (especially the Bobblehead nights), but I believed it needed to be done as well.

      • JhallWally says:

        The lack of support from the LA community certainly hurt the roaches bid to keep the team.

      • JhallWally says:

        I guess in some ironic way, we should thank Nedcompoop for fielding such a shitty team and making the choice somewhat easier. I don’t think there would have been nearly as drastic of an attendence drop and outrage if the team was playing at a championship level.

        • Hi OTD
          I respectfully disagree, I don’t think the teams standings had anything to do with the drop in attendance. I think it was the fans not wanting to support McCourt because they wanted him out. On the other hand I agree the fall in attendance helped McCourt decide to sell.

          • JhallWally says:

            You’re probably right. In years past the Dodgers have fielded much worse teams than this year and attendence did not suffer. I do applaud the fans for having the werewithall and forebearance to stay away and hasten the demise of the McCourt regime.

  36. JhallWally says:

    I’m sure the estimated $1B+ price tag for the Dodgers is based upon the total package to include the land and stadium.

    • JhallWally says:

      I’d love to see Frank come out of this whole thing broke and in debt to the IRS. But, I believe the only reason he came to terms with MLB and agreed to sell was predicated on them not letting that happen.

  37. trublu4ever says:

    I am one of those that believe the drastic drop in attendence was all aimed at FRANK. It turned out to be pretty well organized effort on the part of the fans. We have had some pretty poor teams before and, still, the fans came out for support of the team. So, in this case Frank got what he deserved…..the fans knew it, the players knew it and most of all MLB knew it.

  38. According to ESPN, it looks like Matt is very close to signing a long-term contract.

  39. nellyjune says:

    I think people thought at one time it had something to do with the team production and the economy, but I think once all the media started seeing the social media and blogs telling the fans to stay away (including actual protests), it turned out to be more about Frank than the team itself.

  40. selltheteam says:

    Ryan Doumit turns down Dodgers’ one-year, $3-million offer

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/11/ryan-doumit-turns-down-dodgers-one-year-3-million-offer.html

    The good, the bad, and the ugly: Doumit can hit. Nedcompoop is not necessarily gonna stick with Ellis and Federwicz (sp???). But Doumit’s career caught stealing percent of 25% is lower than that of Barajas (31%) and Russell Nathan Coltrane Jeanson Martin (also 31%)

  41. 32and53fan says:

    There is a new thread.

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