Looking through blue colored glasses

Until the last couple of years due to the McCourt meltdown, we Dodger fans have always tended to look at our team as one of the premiere teams in MLB history.  Despite the fact that a Dodger almost never appeared on one of the daily recap shows depicting the best plays of the day, we seemed to think our players were somehow more gifted than those of other teams.  And overall, there may have been some merit to that type of thinking.  But in the past few years, we looked at our young core as something really special.  This year, it turns out that Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw actually delivered on that promise.  But the others really have not risen above the rest of the MLB pack.

That brings me to the concern that Oldbrooklynfan has about the St. Louis Cardinals winning the World Series.  A few years back, I remember Vin Scully remarking that over the entire history of both teams, they were actually tied in wins against each other.  I don’t know how much that has changed since and I am not anal enough to spend the time to look it up.  The point is, as Mr. Pierre has pointed out, is that both the Cards and Dodgers have won 22 pennants but the Cardinals have won 10 championships to the Dodgers 6.

Our heroes include Zack Wheat, Dazzy Vance,  Pee Wee Reese, Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, Duke Snider, Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax, Don Sutton and many others.  Currently, Kemp and Kershaw are star players for LA.

If we bled Cardinal red instead of Dodger blue, we could point out that history has not ignored the St. Louis team with players such as
Rogers Hornsby, Jim Bottomley, Dizzy Dean, Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter, Red Schoendienst, Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Bruce Sutter, Ozzie Smith, among others.  Now days, they have Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday, Lance Berkman providing the power.

Both of these teams have a long and glorious history in the National League.  As Dodger fans, we look to the farm teams and hope that our prospects will pan out.  But in many years, our minor leagues have only provided a few pitchers.  I can’t remember that last power hitter other than Kemp that has made a big splash.  We Dodger fans like to think with our heart and not our head.  Looking around the league, many teams have brought up premiere hitters who are now performing well in the MLB and are featured on the web gems on a regular basis.

Maybe thinking with our hearts is not a bad thing.  Like Danny Kaye sang, “They may be bums but they’re my bums.”

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155 Responses to Looking through blue colored glasses

  1. trublu4ever says:

    Excellent! And, yes, they are my Bums!

  2. Nellyjune says:

    That is what is great about this forum. We wouldn’t be here if we didn’t care about the Dodgers and want what is best for them. Sometimes tough love is needed (ie…attendance drop) to show h

  3. Nellyjune says:

    …to show how much we really do care. However, we love the Dodgers (the players – as a team) unconditionally for the most part – minus the owner, GM and trainer.

  4. Hi OTD
    Yes , I’ve always looked at the all-time records, that’s why I never really got too downhearted losing two straight NLCS’s to the Phillies. I always kept in mine that they’ve only won 7 pennants and 2 World Series,unlike the Giants who’ve won 19 pennants,the most, since the advent of the World Series(they’ve actually played in 18 because McGraw refuse to play against the AL in 1904).
    I actually picked the Cardinals in this World Series to win in 6 games in a TBLA pool, because I think they’ll win and disappoint me like the Giants did last year. Sometimes I feel like I understand why Billy Loes picked the Yankees to win 1952.

  5. lbirken says:

    Yes, they are “our bums” and the frustration we feel now goes back generations. The Dodgers won only one World Series title in Brooklyn. As good as the Dodgers were in the 40’s & 50’s, they could not get past the Yankees until 1955. Those Dodger teams had some great players. The winning tradition continued when the Dodgers came west and rebuilt an aging team, winning World Series titles in 1959, 1963, 1965 and losing in 1966. A drought kept the Dodgers out of the Series until 1974 where they lost and then till 1977 & 78 where they lost again. Those teams of the 70’s were also considered good teams that could not get over the hump but at least they were there. Even the 1980’s brought two titles with the team still in playoff competition. After 1988, we all know the winning tradition slowly faded away as the landscape of MLB began to change with big contracts, free agency and such.

    The Dodgers have been involved in a number of heartbreaking losses in playoffs and Series games. I would argue that the last two Dodger World Series champions were far lesser teams than any previous winner or loser in Dodger history. The big problem for me is since 1988, the Dodgers have lost whatever competitive edge they may have had prior. So what used to be frustration at losing to the Yankees year after year for Brooklyn fans has now turned into frustration that the Dodgers have lost direction and have become ordinary. Seeing the Cardinals regain some of their lustrous history only makes it more obvious that the Dodgers have yet to do so.

  6. JhallWally says:

    Good Afternoon Outsiders… Good stuff 32/53…As always…

    Checking out the latest Dodger rumblings, I came across this little tidbit. The Dodgers are last in MLB on spending for player developement. Probably not a coincidence that they aren’t the same Dodgers we came to root for and admire. During the Dodger glory years, we were always at the forefront of scouting and player developement. And in this new age of baseball, superior player developement is essential for consistant and long term success.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/10/orioles-to-intervew-dodgers-de-jon-watson-for-gm-post.html

    I guess they had to make cut backs somewhere to buy all those houses and build swimming pools.

    • This is where we feel the impact of Frank the most – can’t blame this on Ned one iota. Also not having the money for permier FAs, nor creating an environment to where they’d WANT to play here is also all on Frank.

    • lbirken says:

      The Dodgers used to have great player development and at one time the organization was considered among the best in all sports. I supposed all things change so there is still hope that someday ownership will change and reset its priorities.

  7. vl4eccjr says:

    Great posts today folks!
    Yes, I remember the good old days when the Dodger farm system was the cream of the crop, cranking out rookies of the year VERY often. Back in the 80’s when I lived in Bakersfield, I used to see the Cal League B-Dodgers as we called them. It brings back some awesome memories watching the young raw talent develop & win back to back championships with talent like Ramon Martinez, Karros, Piazza, & Offerman, and Kevin Kennedy at the helm.
    Remember 92 to 96? Karros, Piazza, Mondesi, Nomo, & Hollandsworth-in a ROW!! Since then, there’s been a drought for this organization. Personally I don’t think there will ever be 5 consecutives ever again in MLB. Now it seems all the talent moving up gets dealt away to other teams for some washed up has been, or never was. . .
    .
    BTW Go Rangers!

    • lbirken says:

      Hate to rain on your parade but those teams of the 90’s with all the ROY never won a playoff game and the only real superstar was Piazza, whom the FOX idiots traded. Mondesi was fun to watch and had superstar talent but nothing between the ears and Karros became a very good (and undertated) player. Hollandsworth never developed and Nomo was already a pro when he came to the Dodgers. Still, you point is well taken that the league did recognize the Dodgers for developing talent during that time.

      • lbirken says:

        I meant underrated for Karros.

        • vl4eccjr says:

          Okay birk. Point taken. Here’s another. The Dodger club has produced 16 Rookies of the year since it’s inception. There isn’t another team in either league that comes close. Seven. The farm system was second to none for a long time. It seems after the O’Malley’s & Campanis were gone, everything went south.
          I totally agree with you on Karros. He may stink as a broadcaster, but as a player, he was really underrated. He was the most consistent first baseman since Garvey. Since Karros left, there has been none at that position. I like Loney’s defense, but his yo-yo offensive numbers leave alot to be desired. I realize the chances of getting Pujols, or Fielder are somewhere between slim & none in the off season with the current mismanagement & financial situation. Loney did step it up this year the second half. Was it too little too late? I say give him one last shot to get his shit in one bag & put it all together next season.
          .
          .
          Who gets the ROY this year?

  8. trublu4ever says:

    Great stuff, guys!

  9. vl4eccjr says:

    WTF?!!! Rangers got screwed by another terrible call by an ump!!

  10. trublu4ever says:

    Rally time!

    Clap….Clap!

  11. trublu4ever says:

    Uh, oh…..big trouble now…damn, back to a 5 run lead!

  12. vl4eccjr says:

    Never say die Rangers!

  13. vl4eccjr says:

    I love watching LaRussa squirm!! LOL

  14. trublu4ever says:

    Wow…Pujols crushed that one!

  15. vl4eccjr says:

    What would Vin say?
    Forget it. 😦

  16. trublu4ever says:

    This is ugly now!

  17. vl4eccjr says:

    Beltre’s done his part. . .

  18. vl4eccjr says:

    That’s just wrong! Oliver gave him a cookie!

  19. trublu4ever says:

    Let’s go, Rangers, lets go!

    Clap…..Clap!

  20. trublu4ever says:

    Woo-Hoo….Rangers & Saints both winning….so far, so good!

  21. vl4eccjr says:

    Damn! With all the walks Jackson’s given up, you would think more runs would be scored by the Rangers.

    • JhallWally says:

      Like our Dodgers the first 4 months of the season. Couldn’t get clutch hits with RISP.

      Interesting tidbit about Manning and the Colts. That would be pretty wild. But, they have a good shot of being the worst team and getting that 1st draft pick.

      • vl4eccjr says:

        Yep. The Rams & Dolphins are in the running too. I saw the last minute lowlights of the Broncos – Dolphins game. The Phins beat themselves, Teblow stepped in shit, & came out smelling like a rose, in front of the smallest crowd I’ve ever seen in Miami. Sad.

  22. trublu4ever says:

    Ha-Ha…good move LaRussa!

  23. vl4eccjr says:

    Wow! Holland has been awesome. The young man is pitching the game of his life!! It’s been like a shot in the arm for the Rangers. Just what the doctor ordered!

  24. vl4eccjr says:

    Holy shit! Have the Saints even punted at all tonight? WOW!

  25. trublu4ever says:

    Come on Holland, finish them off…two more outs!

  26. trublu4ever says:

    Whew!

  27. vl4eccjr says:

    Till the next one. G’night all. Almost time for ‘Boardwalk Empire.’

  28. nellyjune says:

    Latest e-mail from the Dodgers….
    “Reduced Prices and added Amenities for the 2012 season” – yikes!

  29. Hi OTD
    Well I have the Cards in 6, so I’m still alive in my World Series pool.
    The Cardinals have been in 17 World Series and have won 10 of them. That’s .588, I believe. The Dodgers have won 6 of 18. That’s why I hope I don’t win this pool.

  30. dodgereric says:

    From the above article:

    From the day he took the Dodgers into bankruptcy, owner Frank McCourt has said that selling the team’s television rights would enable him to put the Dodgers on solid financial ground, including full payment for all creditors.

    On Monday, the creditors disagreed. The official creditors’ committee asked U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Kevin Gross to deny the Dodgers their proposed television rights auction, arguing that the prospect of a lawsuit from Fox Sports and opposition from Major League Baseball could jeopardize the money available to repay creditors.

    “The committee cannot gamble the 100% recoveries of its constituents on such a risky proposition,” lawyers for the committee wrote in a court filing.

    Instead, the committee said, “A prompt sale of the team is the most prudent course of action.”

    • JhallWally says:

      Hi’Ya Dad. Great to see you.

      I am amazed and baffled that there is even a question of letting Frank sell the TV rights.

      For one, he has a contract with Fox. Why should he be allowed to break that contract just because he mismanaged the team and its finances?!!!

      Number two, why should he be allowed to pay for his present indebtedness with money from 2014 and beyond?

      It is ludicrous. Hopefully common sense will prevail and the judge will do the right thing, stop this farce and force Frank to sell the team.

      By the time the lawyers, IRS, Jamie and all the creditors are done with him, there isn’t going to be much left for McCockroach!!!

      • dodgereric says:

        Jhall, my good friend. Great to see you too.

        I agree, I’m also amazed that there is a question….

        However, I’m also amazed that one can break into someone else’s home, stub their toe, and sue. And win.

        Let’s say McDick actually has to sell our team and ends up with nothing (best-case scenario). What do you want to bet that he sues himself for damages?

        Correction: the best-case scenario would be that he ends up with nothing and winds up in the pokey after dealing with the IRS.

        • trublu4ever says:

          I like your best case scenario, Dodgereric…..in jail for the scumbag!

        • JhallWally says:

          LOL!! If Frank was smart, he would be trying to figure out how to take down Jamie with him. She certainly doesn’t deserve to just walk away filthy rich. Hell, keep fighting her to run up the lawyers fees, fight MLB to the bitter end so when they sell the team and settle the tax bill, there’s nothing left for the whore.

          • trublu4ever says:

            ( 😉 )….Jamie does the nasty & she gets the reward…..a huge payday for her!

          • JhallWally says:

            Yep Tru, something just not right with that picture in my opinion.

            Freaking Skank!!!

          • vl4eccjr says:

            With the way this soap opera is unfolding, one thing comes to mind. Frank must like his women a certain way. There’s an older country song. I can’t remember who did it. “I like my women just a little on the trashy side.” LOL

  31. JhallWally says:

    Go Rangers!! I think they have to win this one tonight to take the series.

  32. lbirken says:

    One would think somewhere along the line at least one of the advisors working for Frank and Jamie layed out a scenario about selling the team and argued in favor of how that might be the best economic solution for everyone involved. But Frank and Jamie are too arrogant and stubborn to give an inch so here we are. We can only hope the bankruptcy court listens to the creditors and not to Frank.

  33. trublu4ever says:

    Damn!

  34. vl4eccjr says:

    Moreland launched that one!

  35. trublu4ever says:

    Whew…Rangers dodged a bullet there!

  36. vl4eccjr says:

    Wilson’s walking a tightrope! He’s already at 100 pitches.

  37. vl4eccjr says:

    Damn! Napoli just missed that one. . .

  38. trublu4ever says:

    7th inning stretch…….RALLY TIME! Let’s put the birds away!

  39. vl4eccjr says:

    Whew! Got out of another jam there.

  40. JhallWally says:

    Whoa, that was too close. Let’s go Rangers!!!

  41. vl4eccjr says:

    Shee-yit! Moreland couldn’t dig it out!

  42. trublu4ever says:

    Punto…isn’t that a dirty word? 😉

  43. trublu4ever says:

    Yes…way to go Dotel!

  44. vl4eccjr says:

    Bet there’s ALOT of bad words being said about Punto Now! LOL

  45. trublu4ever says:

    NAPOLI!!!!

  46. vl4eccjr says:

    Wow! Motte didn’t get much time to warm up did he?

  47. nedisajerk says:

    I can’t believe LaRussa did that.

  48. trublu4ever says:

    Wow…strike ’em out, throw ’em out DP!

  49. vl4eccjr says:

    YEAH! Strike em out! Throw em out! SWEET!!!

  50. Nellyjune says:

    WAY TO GO RANGERS!!!!

  51. trublu4ever says:

    Nice! Way to go Texas!

  52. JhallWally says:

    Clap….Clap.. 🙂

  53. nedisajerk says:

    Oh really and I guess that would explain why Lynn was in the game in the 1st place.

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7146838/2011-world-series-crowd-noise-causes-st-louis-cardinals-bullpen-confusion

  54. messagebear says:

    Shouldn’t the IRS be represented at the bankruptcy hearings?
    If the IRS was able to get Capone, why is it so timid about going after the McCourts?

  55. vl4eccjr says:

    Cue up Mellencamp; “The walls…come tumbling down!”
    McCrooks house of cards is now a pile. . .

  56. Occasionally, its a good thing that Frank doesn’t have the money to lure big time FAs or this would’ve no doubt been another Ned acquisition:

    Lackey likely sidelined for ’12 with elbow injury

  57. Nellyjune says:

    Jhall……..um Jhall!!! In the gnat camp, there are rumors Grady might become a gnat. That is not a good rumor at all Jhall. Not good at all!! Obviously him staying healthy is a key factor in anyone taking a chance in him, but he just will not look good in orange and black. LOL!!!

    • JhallWally says:

      Wow!! Haven’t seen or heard that one about Sizemore. I don’t think the Indians have even declined his option yet. If he stays healthy he would certainly help their anemic offense. That is a big if. A couple of years ago, I would have loved to have him. He would be a good pickup on a one year deal loaded with incentives. At least you would have some eye candy when your family has the G’Aints on the telly. LOL!!!

  58. vl4eccjr says:

    It doesn’t appear Mother Nature is going to cooperate weather wise for tonights game. I’d hate to see another start-stop-start game. I say wait for the weather to clear enough to play the whole game without interruption.

  59. messagebear says:

    SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!
    Our legal system kicks the bankruptcy hearing another month down the road. It’s all playing out in Frank’s favor so far – the GREAT LITIGATOR knows what he’s doing. When in doubt, SUE, and all problems can be deferred for a good long time. Thanks, Bud for ever letting this asshole near our franchise. You and MLB are probably so screwed up, you won’t win the court case anyway. I wish somebody would shoot you and Frank both.

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