Not Much of A Generational Gap After All

I was perusing across the web last night, trying to get that awful game outta my mind, and came across some interesting pieces. Most of them were of the same things we write and speak of on here. However, it wasn’t until I scrolled down to someone’s comment that I got to thinking, this is interesting. What I’m referring to is the fact that someone brought up the fact that another crop of youngsters are about ready to step in for the veterans, again, and yet, this team has stayed in some sort of a limbo, where they’ve yet to know what they have in certain players (Loney), and know what they get in others (Kemp). Then there’s the enigma that is Broxton, and Martin, two Dodgers who became integral parts of this team when they first came up way back in 2005 and 2006 respectively.

With the likes of De La Rosa, Guerra, Jansen, Federowicz, Sands, Gordon, Lindblom, Elbert, Eovaldi, Sellers, De Jesus Jr., Van Slyke, etc., being ready to claim their place in Dodger lore, what can we say about our first core group of the new Millennium.? Most have matured and hit their peak, some have yet to find it, some have found a need to re-invent themselves, and yet, all are under 31. The only lack of minor league talent seems to be 3B, as again, we have used the old adage of signing players instead of developing them in order to fix our problems.

My rambling is such as to not only draw concern for this group but also to say, in a way, what would of been. Had Broxton not imploded, had he had a coach force him to lose the weight, had Martin eased up on his workload, had he not stepped the way he did when running home. What would of been in those playoffs, had Broxton not given up that bomb to Matt Stairs or the hit by Rollins. Would we have made it to the World Series?

What I can’t argue is the fact that had we won both Game 4’s, we’d of been tied up at 2 a piece, and from there, who’s to say we wouldn’t of won the next two. So many ifs, but with the 1st core, we accomplished so much, if even overachieving, with grit and determination. What can we do with this bunch. Dee looks to be a demon on the basepaths, Guerra and Jansen look deadly in the pen, Sands in hitting, Elbert is finally pitching well, and others should come along.

In essence, I write this not only to ask for some thoughts on what would of been, but also of what will be of this group, and can they jell together in time to see Loney, Billz and Ethier produce like they were intended to, not too long ago.


132 Responses to Not Much of A Generational Gap After All

  1. dodgereric says:

    Funny. I forgot to mention in the last post that last night I found myself cheering for the Dodgers again. I know that because I was yelling at the TV.

    One more home game left. What a long, long year it’s been.

    Game 80 attendance (2010): 41,918
    Tonight’s “attendance” courtesy of trumom: 32,334
    Difference from 2010: -9,584
    Estimated no-shows: 8,084
    Estimated turnstile attendance: 24,241
    Greater than last year = 10 / Less than last year = 69
    2nd straight game of negative attendance

    Games less than 30,000 this season – 13
    Games less than 30,000 in 2005 – 2010: none
    Last game was 9/14/2004 – 29,704

    Lowest attended game of the year: Game 75 – 25,381
    Largest single game drop: Game 18 (55,662 – 28,419 = 27,243)

    2010 attendance (80 games) – 3,524,311 (44,054 average)
    2011 attendance (80 games) – 2,897,579 (36,220 average) #10 in MLB
    Percentage attendance drop 2010/2011: -21.62.95

    Drop of 626,732
    Average drop of 7,834
    Extrapolated for 81 games – 634,566
    Projected 2011 final attendance – 2,933,799
    2010’s final attendance – 3,562,318 (#3 in MLB)

    Next game’s (81) attendance in 2010 – 38,007

    Crowds less than 30,000 in 2010: none. 2011: 13
    Crowds 30,000 – 39,999 in 2010: 19. 2011: 49
    Crowds 40,000 – 49,999 in 2010: 50. 2011: 13
    Crowds 50,000 – 55,999 in 2010: 7. 2011: 2
    Sellouts (56,000) in 2010: 4. 2011: 3

  2. trublu4ever says:

    Sorry to get off the subject of this thread but, I just saw a picture of Sellers, shirtless, and wow, does he have tattoos! He is loaded 😉

    • trublu4ever says:


      • trublu4ever says:

        Justin’s torso is much better….very well defined. Too bad he has to wear his jersey when he plays. I’ll bet a lot more people would show up for the games if the guys were shirtless. Not all of them, mind you, just the buffed ones 😉 I don’t think I’d enjoy seeing Uribe or Velez sans shirt!

        • koufax1963 says:

          I always say “what if”, but I could never predict “what would”, it is fair to say that NOW we don’t have a team with the chemistry of the 08/09 years, just a damn missed chance at WS. I could suggest what the dodgers need to do, but with the finnacials/legals all very obscure now, I doubt the dodgers would get much. It was much simpler years ago, we needed a front line starter, but we didnt get CC, Lee, halliday, couldn’t keep lowe, same with wolf. We needed a 2nd Base, spent time with O dog/ belliard, let Dewitt go. Those two positions not solved, and now we need 3rd base,so we get Uribe(ouch)and now we approach bolstering up a BP because it is nowhere near the 08/09 model, and is Catcher, LF and 1st base really settled, will Dre return as solid, and ultimately can this “new” clubhouse management really develop the chemistry needed to take us back to the 08/09 model? I’m encouraged in some ways, this coming from a fan that wanted this team to lose 100 games, so colletti would be fired and mcbroke ousted by Selig (my biggest disappointment this season); I fear we won’t be able to hold on to the good we have and the potential I see, so many bad moves compared to the good moves over the last several years, I have to conclude that a dodgers remake must start with a change in mindset from owner through the scouting/drafting and training/development before we address what players make up the 25man roster.
          Perhaps another speculative questions would be: What if jaime and frank could of been less selfish, been real dodger fans and supported each other with less material things and sourounded themselves with people smarter than them, and not divorced? Can’t predict, neither can I. With so much money wasted on players that didn’t perform, and a lack of rising development from players we keep (exception to the obvious players that have their last name begin with “K”) I fear with have not hit bottom yet.

  3. Emma says:

    Hi everyone. The Dodger workers also have to cover their tattoos. Last game tonight with Tommy in uni. Sad to say goodbye to everyone at the stadium tonight.

    It has been a long homestand and I’ve been to all of them but yesterday’s game dragged. Only time I considered leaving early as I felt very tired but I stayed till the end.
    The night before I did not want to leave the stadium on that great game by Kershaw and Jansen & Javy coming in to save it for Kershaw.

    Heading to SD for all three games. I am taking the train Friday morning but I am coming back with a friend. She can’t get out of work early so she is driving after work.
    Hope everyone is doing well.


  4. Josh Rawitch says:

    Hi all ITD/OTDers…

    This is Josh Rawitch, dropping by to say thank you all for your support over the years and to wish you all the best in the years to come. As you now know, I’ve accepted a new position with the Arizona Diamondbacks and while I’m extremely excited about it both professionally and personally, I will truly miss the Dodgers and the fans tremendously.

    Quite obviously, this was not my finest year on Inside the Dodgers, as we tried to focus more on the other avenues of social media. I know that didn’t sit well with many of you (understandably), but I didn’t want to post nonsense for the sake of having a new post and I wasn’t finding myself coming up with good stuff to post. And I certainly didn’t feel right posting information over the last couple weeks knowing that I might be leaving. But I’m glad that you all created this outlet and that you seem to be thriving here as an online community.

    ITD has been a really memorable part of the last several years and the tours (and Joe Pierre’s visit) were truly a highlight of my time with the team. I’m often asked what the best part of this job is and frankly, it’s the fact that simple actions like that one can have a lifelong impact on someone. That’s something I’ll always believe to be the greatest value of a team with this sort of fan base.

    Please continue to root for the Dodgers and know that in the end, your love and loyalty of this franchise will always matter to those who work here. You may not always see it or feel it, but as someone who has been here for 15 years and heard those around here discuss it, I can tell you that we believe it.

    Thanks again and all the best,


    • Goodluck at your new job Josh. I think you know our disgust wasn’t with you or the players, but rather with ownership and certain members of management who shall remain Nedless, I mean nameless. I’m sure you will find a better work environment with a franchise that’s on its way up instead of on its way down and out.

    • nellyjune says:

      Josh – Thanks for giving us ITD, and all the wonderful things that came with it (which are so many I would lose track if I started). I can’t even begin to imagine the stress level of what you were put through this past season, but I wish you the very best in Arizona.

    • Josh, thanks for your gracious post. Wishing you and your family all good things in your new location/position.

    • 32and53fan says:


      Thanks for taking the time to say goodbye and thanks again for you efforts in getting this online community together. The special tours you hosted were a huge bonding experience for those of us who regularly visit ITD/OTD.

      Best of luck to you in your new job. You have a bright future indeed.

      • trublu4ever says:

        I also want to thank you, Josh. You made it possible for us Dodger fans to get together and share our love (and sometimes hate) of the Dodgers. Best wishes in your new job.

    • JhallWally says:

      Thanks Josh, and good luck with the D’Backs. We all realize how difficult your job had become in the last couple of years and you have definately handled it with class and dignity. I hope you understand that our displeasure is with the McCourts and Ned, not with you. Enjoy the playoffs!!

    • vl4eccjr says:

      Happy trails Josh! Adios.

  5. messagebear says:

    Good luck to you, Josh in your new venture. I can only assume that your last was a difficult one, but you performed it with class.
    If it means anything to you, please know that messagebear says “all is forgiven”.

  6. messagebear says:

    Oh yes, and that will NEVER be said about Frank and Ned.

  7. New prediction – The Dodgers will sign Fielder over the winter. Why you ask? Because Boras will convince Frank & Ned that they need a big name to bring back attendance. The added attendance revenue he’ll argue will offset a large part of Fielder’s salary. Frank will be more than willing to listen, and Ned will give Boras what he wants – a sure-fire over-inflated contract for the fat man – 7 years at $150M with an opt out after 3 years.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of Dodger management.

    • messagebear says:

      Your logic of Frank and Ned’s stupidity makes sense; therefore, I’ll recant my above statement that we won’t sign Fielder. It will, however, turn the Jones signing into a minor abstraction, or Fielder into a fatter one, however you want to take it.

  8. Good luck Josh and always stop by and visit OTD as a typical Dodger Fan like the rest of us!

  9. lbirken says:

    Josh, thanks for everything. Good luck.

    Playing the what if game might be an interesting way to pass some time but it really serves no purpose. We all have a lot of what ifs in our lives and many of them will just drive you crazy if you think too deeply about them. The Dodgers (and every other sports franchise out there) have a lot of what ifs: Bobby Thomsen pops out, the Giants don’t score any runs in the top of the ninth inning in the final playoff game of 1962, Jack Clark strikes out in ’85, Piazza does not get traded, Jody Reed accepts a contract making the trade for Delino DeShields unneccessary, Gagne does not get hurt, Daryl Strawberry is drug free, and who knows what. What if Walter O’Malley had been able to get his new stadium in Brooklyn, or gone to San Francisco while the Giants came to L.A.? See what I mean? Crazy talk while intriguing at the same time.

  10. IF. What could’ve happened didn’t. Now we just have to wait on the guys we have now. We can’t cry over spilled milk. That part is over.
    We just got to practice and play hard until we can play ball on the same field with teams like the Phillies and I believe we can.

  11. trublu4ever says:

    Oh, please, Dear God, let the half-way decent Hiroki show up tonight and, please, please, please make our bats come alive! Amen!!

  12. trublu4ever says:

    After seeing tonights lineup, I guess Tattoo is on Donnies shit list! I’d post the entire lineup but, I don’t want to type that much and, besides, it’s already here in the twitter feeds.

    • trublu4ever says:

      I know Justin isn’t hitting the crap out of the ball but, he can field his position very well (whether it be 2nd or 3rd).

    • JhallWally says:

      Tonights Lineup:

      Gordon 6,
      Sands 9,
      Kemp 8,
      Rivera 7,
      Miles 5,
      Loney 3,
      Barajas 2,
      Carroll 4,
      Kuroda 1.

      Yep Tru, Sellers is not making a good case for himself the last week or so. A day off to clear his head is not a bad idea. I think he will get a good look in Spring Training for a utility roll.

      • trublu4ever says:

        He had a day off yesterday 😉

        • JhallWally says:

          Oh. Well, maybe another day off will help. Yesterdays game was a real stinker. I think Kuroda will have a good game tonight. Boy, the Bedard trade hasn’t worked out so great for the Red Sux. Ha-Ha. Kuroda would have sure helped them tremendously.

          • trublu4ever says:

            Yep. And, Kuroda will probably leave us next season so, we got nothing!

          • It’s not the first time we got nothing for a great prospect and, knowing Ned like we do, it probably won’t be the last.

          • JhallWally says:

            Yep Sparky. And therein lies a major portion of the Dodgers problems now and going forward. I wish Frank would wake up and realize what a poor job Ned has done. Regardless of the finances, the team would be improved immediately if he fired Ned. Send Conte packing with him and don’t hire anyone that was ever associated with the G’Aints again.

          • trublu4ever says:

            Bunnynutts should be shown the door too!

  13. trublu4ever says:

    Happy 84th birthday, Tommy! Will be nice seeing you in the dugout once again.

  14. vl4eccjr says:

    Happy birthday Tommy! Don’t be hesitant to let out some rants & expletives if you feel the need!
    Ahhhh yes! Memories. . . .

  15. JhallWally says:

    Happy Birthday Tommy!!! Give’em hell tonight!!!

  16. Glad Bryan Stow is speaking. Good to hear, I’ll never forget what happened that day. The entire Dodgers community, except for Frank McCourt and lost cause bangers, will never forget that day, an incident that could’ve been prevented by any measure of basic competency in the owner’s box. L.A. owns up to it…

    But what about San Francisco?

    The Giants, they’re in their 10-years-young jewel of a stadium by the bay. They’ve long thrown away Candlestick Park, and its ugly Giants-gametime reputation (where Dodgers fans went to die, sometimes literally), to the point it’s become a ghost in the memory of a franchise that, in many ways, was newly born last October.

    But the ghosts of Candlestick have returned… and no one in San Francisco gives a fuck.

    They’ve gotten away scott-free for the violence that happened in the Candlestick parking lot, where many were injured. Do we know their names? Five minutes of Google-searching, and I can’t find one person’s name.

    It’s a non-issue in San Francisco, the city that called Los Angeles trash, gang-bangers, and threw any and every Hispanic race under the bus for the actions of two men (only one of them Hispanic) on March 31st, 2011, are awfully quiet about the events of August 21st, 2011.


    “But it was Raiders fans…” SO THE FUCK WHAT, IT WAS RAIDERS FANS ON OPENING DAY AT DODGER STADIUM, TOO (spoken by a Raiders fan, btw).

    San Francisco, you disappoint me. Quick to complain, but when the shoe’s on the other foot, you turn it sideways, and shove it straight up your ass in hopes no one will remember.

    I thought you were better than this, San Francisco…

    • vl4eccjr says:

      Dude! It is the gay bay after all. Those pukes have always looked down their schnozzes at the Dodgers & all Angelinos.

    • Nellyjune says:

      You are so right. It was the city of Los Angeles that responded first in reaching out to the Stow Family, with Frank lagging far behind. So, where is the outrage by the city of San Francisco over what happened at Candlestick Park. Very well said Northstateblues.

  17. trublu4ever says:

    Damn, you, Hiroki!

  18. trublu4ever says:

    Tired of this shit every night…..except for Kersh, the starting pitching sucks!!!!!!!!

  19. trublu4ever says:

    Thank you Juan!

  20. JhallWally says:

    WTG Rivera!! Anyone want to bet that Ned signs him to an overpriced 2 or 3 year contract?

    • trublu4ever says:

      Everybody Ned signs is overpriced!!

      • trublu4ever says:

        Then, he will hesitate on making sure Kemp and Kersh stay put!

        • JhallWally says:

          Yep. The #1 priority this off season is to get Kemp locked up for 5 to 7 years. Nothing else is even close as their is still alot of time to work on a deal with Kersh. These are the two players you can build around for the future and the only two that cannot be replaced.

          • trublu4ever says:

            I really think, that as bad as Ned is, he will try to make sure Matty is happy. I just hope some team, like the Yankees, don’t come and offer him a boat load of money.

          • JhallWally says:

            That is why it is imperative that we get him signed as soon as possible. If he gets to free agency, the price goes way up when teams like the Yankoffs and Red Sux get involved.

  21. vl4eccjr says:

    Woo hoo! Keep the foot on the accelerator boys!

  22. trublu4ever says:

    See, the gnats are playing .199 hitting Crawford but, Justin sits!

  23. vl4eccjr says:

    Looks like the ‘Juan Show’ so far tonight! 😉

  24. And how is everyone doing this fine first day of fall evening?

  25. OK boys, here’s where we rip off their heads and shit down their necks!

  26. trublu4ever says:

    Walk like a man!

  27. Thank you so much for walking in that run. Let’s get some more!

  28. Not enough rippin’ and not enough shittin’ to suit me, but I’ll take it.

  29. vl4eccjr says:

    Whoa! Isn’t that two games in a row Carroll’s gotten an RBI?

  30. Lopes needs to work with Dee. Hope Davey comes back next year.

  31. trublu4ever says:

    Matty is hot! Three doubles tonight!!!

  32. vl4eccjr says:

    Matt’s a doubles machine tonight! Me thinks he would gladly cash them in for one dinger.

  33. trublu4ever says:

    I really hate Pandas!

  34. vl4eccjr says:

    Sheeeit! A dinger for Fat Bastard.

  35. trublu4ever says:

    Come on, we need a few more runs!

  36. trublu4ever says:

    Come on BP….don’t implode, please!

  37. trublu4ever says:


  38. nedisajerk says:

    Let’s get Kemp back up there for a chance to get 4 doubles.

  39. trublu4ever says:


  40. JhallWally says:

    Nice!!! Kemper making a serious push for the MVP. He’s got my vote.

  41. That was a screw you Gnats with an exclamation point!!

  42. vl4eccjr says:

    Ker-Fucking- POW!!! WTG MATT!!!
    A helluva night! Still an outside chance for 40/40. . .

  43. trublu4ever says:

    Come on Elbert!

  44. trublu4ever says:

    Awesome job guys…you answered my morning prayer. Thank-you for knocking the gnats on their ass and, kissing their hopes of the playoffs goodbye!

  45. JhallWally says:

    Wow!!! Nice game!!! Nice series. 2 of 3 from the G’aints and for all practical purposes, putting an end to their playoff hopes. Definately takes a little of the bite out of a miserably disappointing season.

  46. Happy Birthday, Tommy! We got you that win.

  47. trublu4ever says:

    Drum roll please…..the final home game…paid attendance: 37,560

    • JhallWally says:

      Thanks Trumom!!! Just saw the highlight of Kemps bomb on SportsCenter. Looks like they had a pretty good crowd for the last home game of the season. And, Kemp against Zito is just not fair. Funny, but not even a fair fight. LOL!!! What an awful contract that turned out to be. Almost as bad as the Schidt and Andruw deals.

  48. koufax1963 says:

    Happy B-day Tommy. Matt KeMVP. Way to beat down the gnats!

  49. Nellyjune says:

    Thank you Dodgers for making this series enjoyable to watch. It makes life for this Dodgers fan a little more fun.

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