Clayton wins 20th game

While not a masterpiece, Clayton Kershaw pitched another great game topping the Giants 2-1, getting that much closer to a Cy Young award.  Yesterday’s performance brought the Giants eight game winning streak to a halt and made Kershaw the first Dodger to win 20 games since Ramon Martinez accomplished the feat in 1990.  It is much harder to win 20 games now than it was forty or fifty years ago.  In fact, since 1978, only 28 men have won 20, not including this year.  See for the list.

Today’s pitchers have to work with limitations including pitch counts and five man rotations making for fewer chances to reach the elusive 20 win goal.

This Day in Dodgers History

September 21, 1961 – In a 3-3 tie in the bottom of the tenth inning at Candlestick Park, LA’s Pete Mikkelsen quickly retires the first two Giants batters, but then is ordered to intentionally walk Willie McCovey, who is 4-for-4 in the game.  The Dodger reliever proceeds to issue free passes to the next two hitters unintentionally, loading the bases, and then loses the game when shortstop Maury Wills boots pinch-hitter Jim Davenport’s ground ball.

How many times have we heard Vin Scully say that once a pitcher issues an intentional walk, he will struggle to throw strikes?


81 Responses to Clayton wins 20th game

  1. dodgereric says:

    Cy Young or not, Clayton Kershaw has made a giant huge stride in his development in 2011. What can he do to become better next year? What kind of contract would he deserve then? I can’t imagine. I’m not one to blaspheme, but Lord, please rid us of our human albatross so that we can keep such men as Kersh right here.

    Game 79 attendance (2010): 36,713
    Tonight’s “attendance” courtesy of trumom: 32,526
    Difference from 2010: -4,187
    Estimated no-shows: 8,132
    Estimated turnstile attendance: 24,395
    Greater than last year = 10 / Less than last year = 68

    Games less than 30,000 this season – 13
    Games less than 30,000 in 2005 – 2010: none
    Last game was 9/14/2004 – 29,704

    Lowest attended game of the year: Game 75 – 25,381
    Largest single game drop: Game 18 (55,662 – 28,419 = 27,243)

    2010 attendance (79 games) – 3,482,393 (44,081 average)
    2011 attendance (79 games) – 2,865,245 (36,269 average) #10 in MLB
    Percentage attendance drop 2010/2011: -21.5391

    Drop of 617,148
    Average drop of 7,812
    Extrapolated for 81 games – 632,772
    Projected 2011 final attendance – 2,937,783
    2010’s final attendance – 3,562,318 (#3 in MLB)

    Next game’s (80) attendance in 2010 – 41,918

    Crowds less than 30,000 in 2010: none. 2011: 13
    Crowds 30,000 – 39,999 in 2010: 19. 2011: 48
    Crowds 40,000 – 49,999 in 2010: 49. 2011: 13
    Crowds 50,000 – 55,999 in 2010: 7. 2011: 2
    Sellouts (56,000) in 2010: 4. 2011: 3

  2. Seasons’ winding down and yet there’s so much promise in the air. A lot of question marks headed into the off-season, yet it looks a lot better than years past. Hopefully Ned or whoever is GM, signs either one of Kersh or Matt longterm and “FINALLY” deals with the Loney/ Ethier situations. Do we sign them long term, trade them, arbitration year, let them walk, etc.

    Do we make a splash by signing Fielder, and moving Loney to LF, or do we stay status quo and see if he can produce at his now expected levels or for that matter, break out as I’m sure some will come to say of his ability.

  3. nedisajerk says:

    By The Numbers: 89—Years Old that Vic Lombardi would have been Tuesday, if he were still alive. Lombardi was the last Dodgers pitcher to go 5-0 in a season against the Giants. That happened in 1946, which is just before Vin Scully started broadcasting games for the Dodgers.

  4. vl4eccjr says:

    I mentioned on the previous thread that the commentators from ‘Baseball Tonight’ on ESPN were saying if anyone beside Kersh were to be voted in for the Cy Young, it would be a mistake. Then later, Curt Schilling voiced his opinion on Sportscenter. Of course this commie wants someone in a Phillie uniform to win. Just goes to show opinions are like assholes. Everybody’s got one, and some are ALOT smellier than others. With his relationship with Roger Clemens, I would not rule out if this nimrod participated in the ‘juicing’ when it was more common. He can go take a flying fornicating attempt at a rolling donut as far as I’m concerned. If you look up ‘sphincter’ in the dictionary, his pic should be displayed next to the definition!

  5. grizzy says:

    Screw Schilling and ESPN. Between the two of them, they screw up plenty of things.

  6. trublu4ever says:

    I hardly ever watch ESPN. The only time I do is when we have a game on there (which is seldom) and I can’t get it anywhere else. Or, sometimes for Monday Night Football. I love MLB Network….they are fair and balanced.

    Waching Kersh pitch last night was a pleasure. Even more so, I had to watch the Giants’ feed and to hear Krud & Krap sing his praises made it worth while!

  7. messagebear says:

    While being on a playoff team isn’t a prerequisite for the CY award, I think you have to take it into account. For that reason, as much as I’m excited about Kersh, I think that Kennedy is more deserving. The question is: where would the Diamondbacks be without Kennedy, and it almost certainly would not be in the playoffs.
    At the same time, where are our Dodgers with Kershaw, and it is in third place and a far piece away from playoff contention. Obviously just my opinion, and I’ll be delighted to see Kersh get that honor.
    Based strictly on individual performance without the team placement considerations, he deserves it.

    I am pleased to see Sands performing as he has since his latest callup. It would still be good to have Rivera back, as long as it is strictly a one year moderate salary contract. I put no stock in the possibility of getting Fielder, and I’m not sure that Fielder will prove worthy of what he gets over the length of his contract. I see another guy who has a tendency to put on too much weight, and that does remind me of a certain Jones guy. Miles might be another guy worth a one year contract, along with Barajas.
    Gordon looks like he should stick with us, but Sellers seems like another guy who just can’t hit at the major league level. Can’t wait to say good bye to Velez and Oeltjen, and wish we could do the same to Uribe.

    As far as I’m concerned, I would keep Loney and would Keep Andre even through arbitration. I have to assume that Andre can have a decent season in 2012 and could prove valuable in a trade during the 2012 season.

  8. lbirken says:

    I was at last night’s game and I must say, it might have been the best and most interesting game I have attended all season (about 15 games) at Dodger Stadium. Perhaps it was the better than usual seats (given to me by a business associate) that added to the experience but it felt like an important game and the crowd was lively and noisy. I also noticed not as many people leaving at the end of the 7th and 8th innings as usual. You would have thought the Dodgers won a title when Sandoval struck out and then again when Huff hit into the game ending double paly.

    IClearly, Kershaw deserves as much consideration for the CY as anyone else and the fact that for once people are talking about the Dodgers for something positive on the field is refreshing. I have never placed much importance on win-loss records for pitchers and consider it an unfair stat. And I understand Bear’s view that Kennedy may have been more important to the D’backs than Kersh was to the Dodgers but to me, that is more an MVP thing. It should be interesting to see what happens. The more interesting aspect of Kershaw is I still hear baseball people saying as good as he is, he still has not mastered his craft and to a man they all believe he will get better.

  9. nellyjune says:

    To reply to what both Messagebear and lbirken said. It’s really hard not to look at how the team finished in their division as a factor. So, wouldn’t that lead most to think Halladay is deserving as well? However, in Halladay’s case, he had behind him a combination of 3 other pitchers (Lee, Oswalt and Hamels) also getting those innings pitched, fairly low ERA, and quality starts. So, I’m not so sure Halladay made a difference in where their team ended up. I think the Phillies would have won the division regardless IMO because they had a great offense, which played a major factor in their wins as well.
    I do think there is a point to be made with Kennedy and where the Dbacks ended up, but I think they had a much better offense than the Dodgers did as well. So, based on the fact that we really had a rough season on the offensive side of things (as a entire team), Kersh and Matt were the two players that held this team together and got us into a third place spot in the division. And in a season where we were destined to finish dead last.
    I think Kersh deserves it, but I can see him being edged out by Halladay just because Kersh plays for the Dodgers and Halladay plays for the Phillies (and which team had the better year).
    lbirken – If Kershaw is the kind of pitcher I think he is, then he is saying that about himself. He will never think he has mastered his craft. “Strive for perfection, knowing damn well you won’t get there. But on the way, you will find excellence.”

    • lbirken says:

      Nelly, the comments I heard most often is about Kershaw still being a “thrower” and not yet a pitcher. I disagree, I think he has become a pitcher and of course he should get better. I remember the first time I saw him pitch in person and he reminded me a bit of Fernando because of his presence on the mound: he acted as if he knew he belonged there and that the hitter was in for a battle. It was only Kershaw’s control that would keep him from becoming an elite pitcher. I like his passion and his humility. Can’t say I am a big Tim “get a haircut you pothead” Lincecum but if he thinks Kershaw is deserving of the CY, who am i to argue?

  10. Congratulation to Kershaw for winning 20. I really was taken back by the fact that he was the first Dodger pitcher to go 5-0 for the season against the Giants since Vic Lombardi did it in 1946.
    Yes it is harder to win 20 now, since pitchers pitch every 5 days, and it can also be affected by the pitch count. The idea of losing control after an intentional pass, I’m really not sure what I think.
    I just hope we can sweep the Giants and eliminate them as soon as possible, I don’t want to hope we lose to the D’Backs. I’m also hoping for the Mets to beat the Cardinals and the Braves keep it up so, the Cardinals are denied the postseason. Did I ever tell you I also hate the Cardinals.

  11. trublu4ever says:

    Wow….very sparse crowd tonight!

  12. trublu4ever says:

    I’m here on OTD chatting with myself. That’s okay…I like me 😉

  13. trublu4ever says:

    Damn… Gnats on the board already!!

  14. vl4eccjr says:

    We like you too tru!
    Eveland’s off to a shaky start.

  15. vl4eccjr says:

    Shee-yit! They’re dialed in on him. Flashbacks of Ely again. Same case scenario.

  16. vl4eccjr says:

    (_l_) ~ ~ ~ ~ Pfffffffffffft!!!

  17. Looks like the clock’s struck midnight for Eveland and he’s turned back into a pile of shit. Frankly, I was surprised he pitched two good games. He’s a worse version of Lilly, and one of Ted is enough.

  18. trublu4ever says:

    And, the fun continues!

  19. trublu4ever says:

    Just wondering how many runs he will give them?!

  20. vl4eccjr says:

    Stick a fork in Eveland. He’s done!

  21. Had a feeling the g’nats were gonna get those 5 runs eventually. Eveland needs to consider his career opportunities in another profession.

  22. Nellyjune says:

    Crap, crap and crap……..and then I’m listening to Krud and Krap to make it even more crappy.

  23. nedisajerk says:

    It look like this would’ve been Kuroda spot in the rotation.

  24. trublu4ever says:

    Oh, boy….eugenio!

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  26. trublu4ever says:


  27. Nellyjune says:

    Now that is much better 🙂

  28. trublu4ever says:

    Shit!! Pitching really sucks tonight!!

  29. What is Carroll still doing playing in the games..????

    Where’s Sellers?

  30. trublu4ever says:

    Damn you Kuo!

  31. trublu4ever says:

    I’m also not “feeling” Carroll & Miles. Perhaps it’s because it was a very disappointing season but, I think we can do better.

  32. Nellyjune says:

    It is being said that Frank will be able to drag out his escapade for at least another year. So, if that holds true at least through the hot stove season, I would imagine “actual” ticket sales will drop dramatically. I guess it really depends on how the off-season is handled as far as who stays, who goes and who is acquired.

    • Well, its already being said by most of the workers at the stadium that most will be laid off, and those “famous” portable carts of food will be gone. Cost cutting of course, and the fact that season ticket holders will leave in bunches, say leave the team with 10,000 at most, and those that do, will have a deep discount or will be bribed with bobbleheads and food coupons, or parking passes. So, its a horrible season at Dodgerland. Only thing that could make it better is a new GM or at least one good, calculated move that helps the club while not tying them up to old crap for a long time. Say, letting go of Kuroda or signing him for less then $5 would be good start. Getting rid of Lilly or Uribe would be icing on the cake.

      Of course, such thing would mean that we have stability in management. I look to see who leaves first, Logan White or Ned. Will Stan Conte get canned as well, and will Kim Ng be finally considered for the job and become the first female GM of any major sport.

      Interesting off-seasona ahead indeed

  33. trublu4ever says:

    32,334 paid attendance. Way, way under that actually there. I’d say they’d be lucky to have 20,000 there….and, that’s being very generous.

  34. 32and53fan says:

    Matt Kemp got his 35th homer tonight and faces a huge challenge to get to 40. Imagine what his totals would be if he was playing in Ebbets Field. A lot of his warning track shots here would be home runs in Ebbets Field.
    Here is an overlay of Ebbets Field over the original Dodger Stadium dimensions. The current Dodger Stadium dimensions are still much larger than that band box in Brooklyn.

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