From K to shining K

50 years ago today, Sandy Koufax pitched in the last regular season game played at the LA Coliseum.  You could call it a quality start.  He went 13 innings to get the complete game win.  Today, a quality start is considered six innings.  Back then, pitchers regularly pitched complete games.  Today’s pitchers pitch 25% less innings that their 1950’s and 60’s counterparts notes Fred Poulin in  I was thinking that the amount of innings that Koufax pitched might have aggravated his arthritic arm and led to his early retirement.  Fred’s article suggests that the opposite may be true and today’s pitchers may not be throwing enough innings to prevent injury.

Today’s K – Kershaw will try for his 20th win today in his 4th matchup with Tim Lincecum.  In games against Lincecum this year, Kershaw is 3-0 with no earned runs allowed in 23 innings, racking up 30 strikeouts against just three walks.  I hope he makes it 30 scoreless innings tonight.  If that happens, he will take another step toward the Cy Young award.

Dylan Hernandez has an article comparing Sandy Koufax and Clayton Kershaw on the LA Times web site.

This Day in Dodgers History

September 20, 1961 – In a 13-inning contest, Sandy Koufax goes the distance beating the Cubs, 3-2, in the last regular season game to be played at the LA Memorial Coliseum, which was originally built for the 1932 Olympics. The Dodgers are leaving the only home they have known since moving from Brooklyn four seasons ago to play in a brand new stadium in Chavez Ravine, located a few miles from downtown Los Angeles.


159 Responses to From K to shining K

  1. trublu4ever says:

    A Kersh (Dodgers) win and a Giants loss would make this season a little more bearable.

  2. grizzy says:

    Looks like ITD is long gone. Does anyone know if Rawitch already left town?
    Interesting story in the Times about acquiring Fielder. I’d keep Loney, though. Maybe he could play left if he had time to acclimate. Thinking about it, who wouldn’t want a bat like Fielder’s, but I’ve thought all along we should keep Loney.

    • koufax1963 says:

      I thought the article about fielder was just to sell a newspaper. How can the dodgers afford fielder? Yep Loney was frustrating this year, just like kemp was the year before, but I can’t ignore his recent, and consistent, batting of the last month plus, if hansen tweaked everything just right and loney has grasped it, then Lets keep him, he may have a power break out next year to go with his 90 plus RBIs. How do people feel about rivera? I smell a bit of andruw, schmidt or manny there if we make the big deal.

      • selltheteam says:

        I would give Rivera a one year deal for $3 million. He’s been pretty solid for us since he got here. But let’s face the facts. Toronto DFA’d him. So why would anyone give him a multi-year deal? Doesn’t make sense.

        • Preferably, Loney would re-up with the team as soon as possible, to a multi-year deal, if even to have a possible trade bat at some point if Sands or Van Slyke come on strong to the big league club. What I fear most is that with Loney’s resurgence, he’ll ask for way above what he was figuring to get before, say about $9 mil now. I wouldn’t give him as much, and I fear its the Russell Martin fiasco all over again.

          As for Rivera, he wasn’t as bad with Toronto as many make it out to be. Keep in mind that he was traded along with Mike Napoli to Toronto by the Angels for Vernon Wells, and Napoli was thus traded to the Rangers for Frank Francisco. He was brought in as a DH type hitter, sharing duties in the OF and IF as well. When Adam Lind went down, he took over 1B, and although he didn’t hit monstrously, he did pick up his BA and HR’s etc. When it came time for Lind to come back, and with the emergence of other options at DH and OF, he bacame expendable. He was never truly given a chance to prove himself.

          Since comming to the Dodgers however, we’ve seen him hit considerable better. Consider this, when he was with the Angels, he started off as a bench player, then full time player and exploded with HR power.

          92 HR’s
          337 RBI’s
          .274 AVG
          489 GP

          That’s a pretty good hitter, even with injuries and partial play time aside.

          I’d love to have him back on the ball club, seeing as how he’s almost increased his entire production from his time in the Blue Jays organization.

          He’s a cheap source of power, and still young enough to get a 2 yr deal and make the best of it. But he’d need regular playing time and that’s the kicker..

  3. lbirken says:

    Grizzy, my guess is Josh is gone and no one is interested in ITD since they have Facebook and Twitter.

    So some Dodger players would like to have Fielder. Interesting. I am not so sure. He is as big as a house and one can only wonder how long he can field his position. And can he hit home runs at Dodger Stadium to warrent the money he might get? I saw Loney play right field once and he almost knocked himself out hitting the right field wall.

    Rivera probably has earned strong consideration for a 1 or two year deal. If he can get a better deal somewhere else, good for him. It looks as if the Dodgers could have another logjam in left field.

  4. vl4eccjr says:

    The NL wild card race is going down to the wire! Atlanta’s lead is shrinking! Here’s hoping the Dodgers make it real hard on the Giants. Time to play spoiler!

    • trublu4ever says:

      I’d love to be the spoiler! Not that I’m crazy about the Dbacks, but, I hate the Giants more. Actually, I’d like to see the Brewers win the NL and meet the Tigers in the WS. I know it probably won’t happen but, we shall see.

    • It’s fun to be the spoiler especially when playing the g’nats. The two teams have a great history of battling each other for the pennant or division and I’m happy to see that the Dodgers will definitely have a say in whether the g’nats repeat or not. Go Kersh – go Blue!

  5. The way I look at it, the money you’d be giving Fielder should be used to lock-up Kemp and Kersh. Fielder’s also a Boras man, and those are guys I’d stay away from like the plague. His power numbers can’t help but go down playing (A) most of his games in DS, (B) 9 of his games in SD, and (C) facing Gnat’s staff in 18 games. Besides that, it’ll take more money than Frank’s absconded with to sign him.

    What’s he got going for him? Well, he’s fat and Ned likes that.

  6. 32and53fan says:

    Congratulations to Matt Kemp for receiving the Roy Campanella award.

    Lineup for tonight:
    Gordon SS
    Sellers 2B
    Kemp CF
    Rivera LF
    Loney 1B
    Miles 3B
    Sands RF
    Barajas C
    Kershaw P

  7. nellyjune says:

    It’s come down to who do you hate more, and for me, it has to be the gnats. However, in the whole scheme of things, I normally don’t do AL, but I am pulling for the Tigers. I love Leland, and their newly aquired pitcher (Doug Fister) is a local boy.
    GO KERSH!!!

  8. JhallWally says:

    Dodgers lineup:

    Gordon 6,
    Sellers 4,
    Kemp 8,
    Rivera 7,
    Loney 3,
    Miles 5,
    Sands 9,
    Barajas 2,
    Kershaw 1.

    Wah’Sup Outsiders? Just eyeballing tonights lineup. I think if you plug Uribe in at 3B, move Miles to 2B, and pencil in Ethier for Rivera or Sands, we are probably looking at our main lineup for next year. Getting Rivera back on a 1 year deal for around 3M would be good. It provides depth in both the outfield and 1B as well as a right hander to platoon with Ethier and Loney from time to time or a safety net if one or both of them tank it next year. It will depend on what kind of offers he gets from other teams. I think Miles will definately be back as well as Barajas. I just hope Ned doesn’t start passing out overpriced 3 year contracts to Miles, Rivera, and Barajas, like he did with Lilly, Grrrearend, and Uribum.

    Anyway, huge game for Kersh again tonight. This is the game for the CYA in my opinion. Halladay didn’t help his chances last night, but Kennedy sure did. I think if Kersh matches Kennedys win total, he will take the award. Like I said, if Kersh is lights out tonight, it is probably lights out for Halladay and Kennedy. I don’t think Lee has enough wins.

    Go Kersh, Go Dodgers, Go Braves, and Go D’Backs!!!!

  9. JhallWally says:

    Very ironic turn of events. Fox basically gift wrapped the Dodgers and enabled him to purchase them without any money. They have enabled him to stay afloat after mismanaging them into bankruptcy, and now, Frank is shitting on them. Frank doesn’t want to honor the contract he has with Fox now that it doesn’t serve his purposes anymore. What an utterly contemptable and vile excuse for a human being.

    • lbirken says:

      Ironic indeed. Imagine a little piece of crap like Frank McCourt taking on a bigger piece of crap like Rupert Murdoch. Not a lot root for in that celebrity death match.

  10. lbirken says:

    Tru, players get paid even if injured or unable to play as long as they have a contract. There may be some exceptions for players who cannot play for some other reason but being out of shape certainly is not one of them.

  11. On a sad note, Josh Rawitch’s new boss, Derrick Hall, was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. The former Dodger front office head for 12yrs said he received the news this past weekend, and that it was caught in the early stages, fully expecting a full recovery.

    • trublu4ever says:

      He should be fine. My Hubby had it and is 100% cancer free now, and, has been for several years.

      • That’s good to hear. My dad is having a checkup next week and I’m just hoping he doesn’t have it.

        • trublu4ever says:

          If it’s caught early, the survival rate is something like 90%…which is quite amazing. That’s why it is very important for all guys to be checked out. I don’t want to preach but, it is a subject very close to me.

          • Yeah, its something that he needs to get done, and I just hope that at his 58 yrs old, he is still as healthy as ever. Just obviously tired for obvious reasons.

            Man, I’ve lost an aunt to a tumor and right now, an uncle to Leukemia or symptoms like it, and its painful just to witness it first hand. I don’t want to overstate the obvious, but keeping healthy and getting checked up is a must for a guy more so than a girl.

            Ahhh, I need a massage.

            (Sorry, I get very easily distracted)

            GO LA!!!

  12. trublu4ever says:

    How about that….the Braves are finally winning a game!

  13. GO CK22..

    CY YOUNG FOR CK22!!!

  14. trublu4ever says:

    Awesome pick off, Kersh!

  15. trublu4ever says:


  16. vl4eccjr says:

    WTG JAMES!!!
    Hope they keep pounding the ‘crack baby’ to where they’ll be scraping the Lincescum off the mound!

  17. trublu4ever says:


  18. Nellyjune says:


  19. WOW!!! Great called third strike there – Kersh!!!!

  20. trublu4ever says:

    Way to go, Kersh!

  21. Great Double for Loney!!!

  22. JAMES!!! Anybody got a copy of the Loney Song? I think it may be time to post it . . . .

  23. Lincecunt is garbage..

  24. Has McCourt not learned anything yet from Opening Day.

    Parking Lot still looks pitch black in overview cam..

    Like you can’t even see infront of you.

    I know electricity is expensive and getting more so each day, but dang, a persons’ safety is worth more than 5 extra cents on electricity Mr. McCourt..

  25. trublu4ever says:

    Sweet catch, Jerry!

  26. Nellyjune says:

    My Loney has a first name
    It’s J*A*M*E*S
    Oh the days of leekfink and MLK’s chants 🙂

  27. Nellyjune says:

    My Loney has a first name
    It’s J-A-M-E-S
    My Loney has a second name
    It’s L-O-N-E-Y
    And if you as me why, I’ll say
    Cause Loney has a way with
    written by MartinLoneyKemp/Lny4Loney 🙂

  28. Think its missing the fifth line Nells. Was it something like “Oh I like to see him everyday”?

  29. trublu4ever says:

    Kersh is doing great. Now, let’s get some more runs! I want a beat-down!!!

  30. trublu4ever says:

    Shit! Not good guys!

  31. vl4eccjr says:

    Always thought making the 3rd out at third was a no no. . .

  32. selltheteam says:

    Bad move by Kemp.

    Some day, Mattingly will wake up and realize that Miles is not a #5 nor a #6 nor a #7 hitter, and move him down to the 8 spot.

  33. Lincecum=Lincescum=Lincecunt=RinseMyNuts is a pathetic pitcher..

  34. trublu4ever says:

    Dumb-ass call, Donnie! No bunt there!

  35. vl4eccjr says:

    Rains coming down like a cow pissing on a flat rock here!
    Bring it on! I’m ready for the end of this drought.
    Sheeee-yit!!! There goes the shutout!

  36. trublu4ever says:

    Crap! Kersh gave up a dinger!

  37. trublu4ever says:

    Damn….I knew we needed more runs!

  38. trublu4ever says:

    Oh, God….now, it’s up to the BP!

  39. Might be nice if Donnie would take Kersh out now.

  40. nedisajerk says:

    All of Stewart career hits against us were all against Kershaw.

  41. Please Kenley save this game for Kersh..

    Strike this piece of shit Panda out..

  42. Send that Panda back to the cages…

  43. nedisajerk says:

    That’s one.

  44. Poeple should be standing and chanting right now…


    Kersh is like maybe I’ll be able to take that shit in peace, right after this SO..




  46. JhallWally says:

    Whhhhhhew!!!! Holy Shit!!!!

  47. selltheteam says:

    Kenley Jansen for 2012 closer.

  48. vl4eccjr says:

    Woo hoo!! WTG K – J!!!
    More insurance runs PLEASE!!!




  50. nedisajerk says:

    Damn Dback we are trying to help you but you losing 5-1.

  51. selltheteam says:

    Ugly beard sighting!

    Beat those damn Gnats!

  52. vl4eccjr says:

    OK Javy. Do that voodoo you do!

  53. trublu4ever says:


  54. JhallWally says:


  55. vl4eccjr says:

    Baseball tonight announcers agree. Kershaw wins the Cy Young. Any other choice is wrong!
    Congrats to Kersh! 20 games! C. K. 22!!!!!!!

  56. Aw, poor Little Timmy Tweaker lost again.

  57. trublu4ever says:

    32,526 paid attendance.

    Nice win guys! So proud of Kersh, Kenley & Javy. You do deserve the Cy Young, Kersh!

  58. Nellyjune says:

    It’s always a good day when the Dodgers defeat the Giants. It will make a fun day at work tomorrow!!!
    Thanks to Kersh, James, Jerry, Jansen, and Javy for a great game. Looks like it was a good day to have your name begin with the letter J.

  59. Exciting game – I love pitching duels even if they cause me to cringe at times. Congrats Kersh – you did a great job! Thank you Jerry, too.

  60. Well boys and girls, this series is our playoffs this year. Anything we can do to screw the Gnats is icing on the cowpie.

  61. vl4eccjr says:

    Feels good to back above .500. It’s been a long time!

  62. Over the past 25+ years or more pitchers have been measured by the 100 pitch count but in more recent times pitchers have been pushed beyond the century mark. I think this is good for some and not for others.
    I think Kershaw is the best since Koufax. He just hasn’t been recognized in other parts of the country yet.

    • Well, I never got to see the days of CG’s and over 100 pitch counts, and I’m guessing back in the days, it was less people in the rotation and thusly more chances to pitch. I wish it was that way right now though, because there seems to be a disconnect between the good ol days of baseball and today’s.

      My favorite player of all time is Roberto Clemente, and I say so with pride, because he was a Dodger before a Pirate and eventhough he wore the Pirate uniform with Pride, he always loved being given a chance at playing for a proffesional ball club by the Dodgers.

      Kersh would thrive in the days of Koufax. Not many else would. Felix, Verlander, Doc, and Lee, along with Kersh would probably be the only ones that could throw 180 pitches, CG’s, back to back games, etc.

      The reasoning of why he hasn’t been taken seriously in the East is mainly attributed to the time zones. When games in LA start, it’s usually 9 or 10 pm in the East Coast. Most people are in bed by then, and have only Yankees, Red Sox and Philly to gauge at how good a team is.

      It’s unfair, but I think that with Kersh and Matt winning the Cy Young and MVP award respectively, more people will take notice East of the Mississippi.

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