Here Come the Snakes

For any of you who have done any hiking in the mountains that run through and surround Los Angeles, you know that there are plenty of rattlesnakes around, whether you see them or not.


They are all around us

As if we don’t have enough snakes, the red hot Arizona Diamondbacks are now in town.  As good as the Dodgers have been in the last three weeks or so, the D’backs have been better.  It looks like it might be a fun series.  Ted Lilly starts tonight against Joe Saunders.

The article at the Dodgers web site has more details:

…While the D-backs have won more games since the All-Star break than every team but the Phillies, one thing that has remained consistent all season long has been the variety of lineup cards manager Kirk Gibson has filled out. Entering Monday, Gibson had penciled 107 different lineups (not including pitchers) over 147 games this season.

Sunday’s newest change was hitting newly acquired Aaron Hill in the three-spot, a position he hasn’t hit in since 2008.

“In reality, I think the game has changed a bit right now,” Gibson said. “If you have the personnel, [it’s changed] even more so. When I was a player, you wanted to play 155, 160 games. Maybe there’s no reason for that; maybe there is. But you have to keep everybody healthy. You have to keep everybody engaged. Maybe I look at it a little differently, but you have to know your players.”…

This Day in Dodgers History

September 12, 1963 – With former Dodger teammates, including Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, Don Newcombe and Ralph Branca, in attendance, Duke Snider is honored by the Mets who hold his ‘night’ at the Polo Grounds, in a game that coincidentally marks the last time the Giants, now located in San Francisco, will ever play in their once long-time home. The ‘Silver Fox’, obtained by the expansion team in in April and who recently asked to be traded to a contender, tells the crowd at the Harlem ball park, “I look up into the stands, and it looks like Ebbets Field. The Mets are wonderful, but you can’t take the Dodger out of Brooklyn”.


170 Responses to Here Come the Snakes

  1. “In reality, I think the game has changed a bit right now,” Gibson said. “If you have the personnel, [it’s changed] even more so. When I was a player, you wanted to play 155, 160 games. Maybe there’s no reason for that; maybe there is. But you have to keep everybody healthy. You have to keep everybody engaged. Maybe I look at it a little differently, but you have to know your players.”…

    If you have the personnel, who for him have been gritty players with no fear, pounding it out and whatnot, then you can do what the D’Backs have done this season.

    With a mind as rich as his and as well respected as he is, he understands his players much like Mattingly does. Only difference between the two, just so happens to be the personnel both where handed at the start of the season. The further detail may be the fact that the D’Backs traded for help at the Deadline, while we were in limbo.

    Young players play to stay and establish themselves. Old timers just get paid ala Schmidt.


  2. messagebear says:

    If we strictly compare the personnel of the D’Backs and the Dodgers at the beginning of the season, I’m not sure that you could predict which would fare much better. There’s no doubt that the D’Backs performed better and maybe got through with less injuries. How much of that relates to motivation, ownership issues, and team trainers, etc. is debatable. I for one wouldn’t put Gibson and Mattingly quite in the same category of management talent. Needless to say, Conte has no equal among his peers, nor, of course, does Frank. I hope this is an exciting series; otherwise, may the best team win.

  3. messagebear says:

    Oh, and Ned? Strictly bottom of the pile talent, although using the word talent with Ned is an oxymoron.

  4. selltheteam says:

    Regarding Ned’s comments about tinkering during the coming off-season:

    We are in a world of hurt in the infield. Whether or not Casey Blake retires, we have a big hole at third base. Miles cannot fill that hole, he is more of a second baseman. Uribe will be asked to fill the hole, but he will come up short just like this year. Will Sellers be able to handle second base next year? So far, his offense has not be enough. We’ll have to see how he does over the last three weeks of the season.

  5. JhallWally says:

    Hi’Ya Outsiders. Well, stinker of a game yesterday, but, we did take 2 of 3 from the fast fading G’Aints and for all practicle purposes, killed what faint hopes they had of overtaking the D’Backs and making the playoffs. Some consolation in this trying season. Doesn’t really change the fact that we still have an overall lousy team and a spin jockey GM that has no clue when it comes to baseball talent. The following article is a pretty good summary of Neds latest comments and what they really mean. I do think season tickets for next year are going to be a hard sell.

    The short translation to me is that Frank is still broke and more interested in his own agenda than the on field product. Ned is still a baseball doofus and will misspend whatever budget Frank gives him to work with. Just as an example, Guerrier is signed to make 4.75M next year and in 2013. Almost 5M for a mediocre at best middle reliever. Billz and Lilly, at 19.5M next year, are signed at 2, 3 starter money and are basically 4 and 5 starters. And finally, Uribe is set to dazzle us next year to the tune of 8M. That’s 32.25M commited to 4 non impact players before they even get into arbitration with Kemp, Kersh, and Ethier. Bottom line folks; alot more dumpster diving for washed up/never were plug ins to get overpaid and block the path of a younger inexpensive player that could provide the same or better production.

    Until Frank and Ned are gone, Systemic Ineptitude will be the organizations byword for the foreseeable future.

    Or, as Tru and myself like to call it:


    • 32and53fan says:

      Makes sense. His predecessor in the PR department with the Dodgers, Derrick Hall, is now the D’backs president. I guess he likes the promotion (his, not the team’s) possibilities better in Arizona.

    • 32and53fan says:

      News moves fast on Twitter… no wonder he wanted to give up on ITD.

      JoshuaABoren Joshua A. Boren
      Dodgers losing a good guy. Congrats @joshrawitch. RT @dylanohernandez: Josh Rawitch, head of #Dodgers PR, leaving to Arizona Diamondbacks.
      6 minutes ago

      debbie speer
      parkbench559 debbie speer
      Hard to blame him. Good luck @joshrawitch Dodgers’ lead spokesman reportedly leaving for Dbacks… via @latimesbaseball
      8 minutes ago

      KC Douglas
      kc_douglas KC Douglas
      Best wishes in AZ, @joshrawitch RT @dylanohernandez: Josh Rawitch, head of #Dodgers PR, is leaving to the Arizona Diamondbacks.
      11 minutes ago

      daveuscfan Dave
      @joshrawitch good luck in Arizona bro. Always keep fighting on. #USC
      12 minutes ago

      Larry Altman
      LarryAltman Larry Altman
      @joshrawitch Good luck man. We Sundialers will look after your mom!
      16 minutes ago

      Chris Huerth
      MoorparkChris Chris Huerth
      @joshrawitch Didn’t always agree w/ U, but I appreciate how hard U tried w/ the fans. Good luck in your new role w/ the D-Backs.
      18 minutes ago

      dodgerchick2010 Rosie
      Good luck Josh!! @joshrawitch You did a great job on twitter keeping us informed & for all the great contests. @Dodgers #socialSept.
      24 minutes ago

      Matthew Saydah
      MatthewSaydah Matthew Saydah
      Want to say thank you to @joshrawitch for all he did as the #Dodgers head of PR. You’ve been great, and good luck in AZ.
      25 minutes ago

      julieverive julieverive
      @joshrawitch Best of luck to you and thanks for everything you’ve done for @Dodgers!! Enjoy Arizona!
      26 minutes ago

      Mike Petriello
      MikeSciosciasTI Mike Petriello
      Not a great day for Dodger fans; team has really been at the forefront of opening up to blogs, largely due to @joshrawitch
      29 minutes ago

    • JhallWally says:

      LOL!! I’ll bet he is one happy camper right now. Maybe he will come out and say what he really thinks of Frank now. Probably not if he is a good PR man however. Not a good idea to bad mouth former employers no matter how bad they were/are.

  6. trublu4ever says:

    Wonder if Bear will be pissed off or happy 😉

  7. lbirken says:

    While it has been fun and interesting watching the Dodgers the past few weeks, there certainly should be no illusions that the current play (and possibly players) mean anything with regard to next season. Certainly Miles, Carroll, Rivera and Barajas have made positive contributions but it might be argued these players have done the best they can with their limited abilities. Is this good enough to challenge the league’s stronger teams? Even Ned Colletti cannot really believe that. While the effort and energy from Sellers, Gordon and Sands certainly get your attention, have you seen anything that convinces you any of these guys have the talent to become better than average players? We hope so but we don’t know for sure, unlike how most of us felt about Kemp and Ethier when they were fighting for a starting job. So what does any of this mean? It means the Dodgers still need pretty much the same thing they have needed for years with no way to get them.

    • selltheteam says:

      Gordon is the real deal, although he’s got some rough edges, especially routine defense and walks. Sellers? It’s too early to tell. Sands – doesn’t look like he can hit MLB pitchers on a consistent basis. Same thing for Mitchell.

      • trublu4ever says:

        I love Sellers’ defense and he has a sweet swing…given the chance I think he will be great. Gordon really needs to sharpen his defensive skills. Dee also needs to eat some burgers!

        • JhallWally says:

          Right now, Sellers is looking the best in my opinion. I think he will be next years Carroll for this team. I’m still on the fence about Gordon. He is still very young and needs alot of seasoning but the potential is there. He needs to work on his plate discipline and get his OBP up to .350 or better to be an effective lead off hitter. Sands is tanking so far and we haven’t seen enough of Mitchel to make an informed decision. If past performance is any indicator, Mitchell will not make it but they need to use these last 16 games to see what he may have.

  8. 32and53fan says:

    #Dodgers lineup: @skinnyswag9 6, @jamesloney_7 3, @TheRealMattKemp 8, @FrenchRiviera 9, @Miles2Go 5, @GiveUsBarabbas 2, @SandsThruTheHourglass 7, @CarrollOConnorBeDead 4, @PicturesOfLilly 1 #socialsept #goodbyejosh #whothefuckcares @FUMcCourt #whocanreadthisshit #hateblogs #lovetweets

  9. JhallWally says:

    From earlier, next year we already have 32.25M committed to Lilly, Billz, Uribe, and Grrrear. Plus, we still have deferred payments of 16.4625M to Manny, Andruw, Pierre, and Kuroda. That’s 48.7125M already gone and not much to show for it. I am not sure but I think we still owe Furcal a 3M deferred payment next year. That would put the total at 51.7125M.

    Add another 2.75M to buyout Garland and Blakes 2012 options.
    Total now at 54.4625M.

    Now we come to the arbitration eligible players. Kemp, Kersh, Ethier, Loney, and Kuo.
    Kemp and Kersh are going to get (and deserve) big raises. Estimate Kemp to get 12 to 13M. Kersh 6 to 7M. That’s 18 to 20M for the 2 no brain keepers.

    Total now at 72.7125 to 74.7125M.

    Ethier ,9.25M this year which he did not earn and will probably seek a raise in arbitration. Considering the team can only cut a players salary by a maximum of 20%, the club could offer as low as 7.4M. He will probably come back with a figure of 11 or 12M. So let’s just assume they settle at 10M. Way too much for an already declining, low power, attitude challenged, mediocre defense, doesn’t hit lefties 30 year old.

    Total now at 82.7125 to 84.7125M.

    Loney made 4.875M this year and should be non tendered but will probably get 5 to 7M in arbitration. Let’s say 5M as an estimate.
    And finally Kuo. At 2.725M this year. He will probably be non tendered but I will assume that if he is not non tendered he will get 3M. That’s 8M on the conservative side if they are brought back.

    Total now at 90.7125 to 92.7125M. And that doesn’t include all the young non arbitration eligible players.

    Let’s figure about 3M for players like Sands, Gordon, Jansen, Guerra, etc….

    Total is now, 93.7125 to 95.7125M.

    I don’t see alot of money to play with here for a bankrupt owner. Last years payroll was about 114.196M. So, if payroll stays the same, Ned will have around 18 to 22M to work with if Loney and Kuo are tendered, and 26 to 30M if they are not.

    Considering Ned’s signing history and Franks financial constraints, the outlook as the Magic 8 Ball would say, “IS GRIM.”

    • Does it really matter how much money Frank gives Ned? Ned’s proven time and again he’s not competent enough to be a [dodger] dog catcher. He’s wasted virtually every dime he’s ever been given (to the tune of somewhere around $350-$400M) with nothing to even show for it.

      Actually, I’m thinking with no money to spend, Ned’s in a much better position not to handicap the team any further with stupid 3-year contracts for crappy ballplayers.

  10. lbirken says:

    Funny lineup. I have no axe to grind with Josh. He did a decent but difficult job and he did try to connect to the fans. It can’t be easy trying to put a positive spin on what has been going on with the Dodgers the past few years and who could blame him for leaving for a better position and getting away from all the uncertainty surrounding the Dodgers.

    • JhallWally says:

      Well said Birky. Good luck Josh.

    • 32and53fan says:

      I hope that some time in the future when Josh writes his book, he will relate what he really thought about McCourt and the whole situation in LA without any PR spin.

      I admire Josh. He is smart enough to find a better place and get out before it was too late. I am far too blunt to be able to play the PR/political game. I don’t have the stomach to cover up all the crap caused by Frank.

  11. Hi OTD.
    Well it looks like Josh will be leaving, no wonder the threads never change much any more. It’s sort of sad for me since Josh did the arrangements for me for my LA trip, which I’ll never forget.
    I guess that’s how it goes in this business. I wish him continued success.
    I’m looking forward to seeing how much better the D’Backs are than us. This should be quite a test for the Dodgers. I, of course, want to see them win the division but I feel they’re far enough ahead of the Giants to withstand defeat. So they’ll be no rooting for them against our beloved Bums.

    • JhallWally says:

      I agree!! Go Dodgers!! The D’Backs lead is big enough. Let’s whip’em and finish this year above .500. And possibly ahead of the G’Aints.

    • trublu4ever says:

      I enjoyed the ITD tour also, OBF. Josh did a wonderful job and it was great meeting all of our bloggers.

    • lbirken says:

      OBF, well said about Josh. I have fond memories of that ITD tour of Dodger Stadium and your smiling face. And I agree that while I don’t want to see the D’Backs lose any ground to the Giants, I too cannot root against the Dodgers. If the D’Backs are that much better, things will be taken care of on the field.

  12. JhallWally says:

    I see Miles is starting and playing 3B again today. Coincidence????

    • trublu4ever says:

      I don’t like it.

      • JhallWally says:

        I’m not crazy about the idea either. I’m getting the impression that Ned is looking at Miles as our everyday 3B next year. Or 2B with Uribe at 3B. Sad that there is not a better 3B option in our farm system than Miles. They obviously aren’t too keen on Mitchell.

        • trublu4ever says:

          I still think it would be fun to see Dee (ss) and Sellers (2b) for the season to see what they can do. Put Uribe’s ass on 3rd, if we have to….maybe the surgury won’t work and he won’t play at all.

          • JhallWally says:

            I could live with that!!! Unfortunately, our best bet is probably for Uribe to not be able to come back from his injuries. It’s funny, but with Uribe, he doesn’t have far to come back. Not like he ever set the bar very high. LOL!! Hopefully the Dodgers have insurance on him. Then we could move on and let the insurance pay his salary.

          • JhallWally says:

            Once again, that goes back to Ned and his incredible stupidity. You can’t blame Uribe, Lilly, and Grrrear for taking the contracts if someone was stupid enough to offer them. Everyone in baseball knew they were not good contracts and what those players brought to the table. They are actually performing just about as I and most people expected.

          • trublu4ever says:

            No Uribe…that’ s good for me.

            I just read that Manny was arrested in Miami 😉 I couldn’t find any details yet.

          • JhallWally says:

            LOL!! Keep us posted Tru!!!

          • trublu4ever says:

            Domestic violence!

          • JhallWally says:

            Well if he’s guilty, I hope they sock it to his sorry ass. He will buy his way out of it most likely.

  13. trublu4ever says:

    Geez, I wish Lilly wasn’t pitching tonight. I wonder how many rocket shots he will surrender?!

  14. Broxton done for the season officially..

    Weird day indeed.

    1. Josh packs his bags and bounces to Hall’s staff
    2. D’Backs in town
    3. Manny arrested*
    4. Broxton done

    what more can we add before the end of the week.

    • JhallWally says:

      Broxtons been done since the Yankees and Torre abused him.

      JoJo was/is an overrated clown and a pitcher killer.

      The Dodgers have had their very own version of “Killer Clowns From Outer Space” with Frank, Ned, and JoJo. Mattingly, Conte, and Honeycutt doing nicely in supporting roles I might add.

  15. 32and53fan says:

    Many Manny Tweets:

    artbrady Art Brady
    Is anyone surprised by #MannyRamirez arrest?…
    10 minutes ago

    ClevelandRED Red
    #mannyramirez won’t even stop by the ballpark in Cleveland, even the little league ballpark in Cleveland. make the Hall of Fame!
    20 minutes ago

    Patrick Neville
    Patrick_Neville Patrick Neville
    Jail isn’t a good place for someone with female hormones as their drug of choice. #MannyRamirez
    24 minutes ago

    Retired #baseball superstar #MannyRamirez arrested Monday night:
    25 minutes ago

    S_Crunchie anne
    Hey everyone, domestic abuse isn’t just “Manny being Manny.” Ugh. #mannyramirez
    27 minutes ago

    Farrah Avylla
    farrahlin Farrah Avylla
    OH NO my poor husband #mannyramirez is locked up. #sadtweet
    27 minutes ago

    Michael Garfield
    garf Michael Garfield
    #MannyRamirez trending higher now than #TeaParty debate. Hello America, that’s the spirit!
    32 minutes ago

    BostonIrishBlog Cormac
    Well, that ‘Manny Ramirez arrested’ Google email alert has finally paid off #redsox #mannyramirez
    36 minutes ago

    Report: #MannyRamirez arrested after domestic disturbance… via @HardballTalk
    39 minutes ago

    Jessie M.
    BluEyezJess Jessie M.
    99 problems and a… #MannyRamirez
    49 minutes ago

    Joshua Rodriguez
    sayjayrod Joshua Rodriguez
    #mannyramirez…you Tranny
    50 minutes ago

    Cindy 🙂
    Ciindyramiirez Cindy 🙂
    #MannyRamirez got #arrested :OOO R U SERIOUS???!!!
    56 minutes ago

    Tom Leykis
    tomleykis Tom Leykis
    Trivia question: Who is batting 1.000 on Mrs. Manny Ramirez’s head? #dodgers #manny #mannyramirez #leadinghitter #leykis
    1 hour ago

    Rodrigo Alvarez
    Sonofalvaro Rodrigo Alvarez
    For all this nonsense is worth…… #MannyRamirez
    1 hour ago

    Melissa Crosson
    MeliAc3 Melissa Crosson
    But really though #mannyramirez
    1 hour ago

    El Caribe
    ElCaribeRD El Caribe
    #MannyRamírez fue arrestado por protagonizar un incidente de violencia intrafamiliar
    1 hour ago

    David Pinto
    StatsGuru David Pinto
    New post: Manny Being Arrested #mannyramirez
    1 hour ago

    El Caribe
    ElCaribeRD El Caribe
    Arrestan al jugador dominicano #MannyRamirez en La Florida
    1 hour ago

    Todd Rosenbaum
    ToddRosenbaum Todd Rosenbaum
    should have made an over/under for the amount of days that go by before #mannyramirez got arrested. #regrets
    1 hour ago

    SidDiamond Sid
    My guess is domestic assault and battery #mannyramirez
    1 hour ago

    SgtButtCheeks SgtButtCheeks
    Manny being Manny being arrested for beating his wife? Really #RedSox #MannyRamirez
    2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    • funniest one above is

      Todd Rosenbaum
      ToddRosenbaum Todd Rosenbaum
      should have made an over/under for the amount of days that go by before #mannyramirez got arrested. #regrets
      1 hour ago

  16. 1. Devaris Strange-Gordon SS
    2. James Loney 1B
    3. Matt Kemp CF
    4. Juan Rivera RF
    5. Aaron Miles 3B
    6. Rod Barajas C
    7. Jerry Sands LF
    8. Jamey Carroll 2B
    9. Ted Lilly P

  17. JhallWally says:

    Wah-Hoo!!! 33 for Kemper!!!

  18. trublu4ever says:


  19. I called the HR..

  20. JhallWally says:

    I don’t know what the logic is, but, you know your scrapping the bottom of the barrell when you have to use Miles as your everyday 3B and number 5 hitter. He’s done a credible job for what he is, but I certainly hope Ned realizes your not going to build a playoff contending team that way. Miles is idealy a parttime player and #2 or #8 hitter.

  21. What ever happened to that Pedro Baez fellow.

    A 3B in the minors, and I don’t hear much about him being considered.

  22. trublu4ever says:

    Yay…a bloop single for Jerry.

  23. Ned traded away the only minor leaguer that could’ve actually helped this ballclub next season.

  24. Nellyjune says:

    (sorry so late)

  25. Don’t be surprised to see Brox invited to ST on a minor league contract either.

    • trublu4ever says:

      Give him a doughnut and he’ll be there!

    • JhallWally says:

      Could be. He’s definately a non tender. I’m curious to see what kind of shape Uribe shows up to Spring Training in. Does he rehab hard and use the opportunity to get in great shape, or pull an Andruw Jones and stuff his freaking pie hole all winter?

      Any guesses?

  26. Nellyjune says:

    Hey Collie!!! Are you feeling better today?

  27. trublu4ever says:

    LMAO…..who says Manny can’t hit anymore!

  28. JhallWally says:

    Hey Beav. Listening to Steiner and Monday talk about how they fixed Lilly by changing his foot angle on the rubber or something. They were chuckling about what a simple thing it was and how it messed up his pitching for the first 4 months of the season.

    My question is: What in the hell took Honeycutt so freaking long to figure it out? Christ, how long will it take him to figure out what’s wrong with Billz???

  29. trublu4ever says:

    I have a feeling Lilly’s implosion is coming this inning.

  30. trublu4ever says:

    That was another good move, Donnie!

  31. JhallWally says:

    Freaking Grrrrear!!! Damn near worthless. And he is signed for 4.5M next year and 2013. How fucking stupid is that?

  32. Two more great Ned contracts… How do you give an old #5 starter $33M for 3 years, and a 6th-7th inning reliever $4M for one year, let alone $12M for 3?

  33. trublu4ever says:

    LOL…nailed the ump! Love it!

  34. Well, back to the same old crap. Can’t pitch, can’t hit. Think I’m going to call it a night and watch TV. Catch y’all later.

  35. JhallWally says:

    Shit!! Grrrear…. What a fucking waste.

  36. trublu4ever says:

    And, ladies and gentlemen….the entire crowd of 5,000 loudly boos GrrrRear for his wonderful performance!

    • JhallWally says:

      LOL!! They need to tar and feather Dildon for using Grrrear with runners on. He’s allowed over 40% of inherited runners to score dammit. Hawksworth and McDoo have been just as bad or worse. Jansen is about the only reliever we have that can actually come in and snuff out a rally.

  37. trublu4ever says:

    Compliments of my pal, Jhall……..UNACCEPTABLY PATHETIC FUTILITY!!!!

  38. JhallWally says:

    Watched the high/low lights on GameDay. Looks like they could feed the All You Can Eat pavillion from one shopping cart.

  39. Nellyjune says:

    Boy, walk away for a short while, and the game goes all to hell. WTF?

  40. trublu4ever says:

    Jer-ry! rbi for you!

  41. Nellyjune says:

    I didn’t go anywhere. It’s that other team playing the Padres on the other channel.

  42. trublu4ever says:

    You won’t believe this….paid attendance: 30,616… I said, there aren’t more than 6,000 there.

    • JhallWally says:

      Unbelievable!! It certainly makes a hell of a statement when over 20K people buy tickets and choose not to use them. I look for alot of those tickets to go unsold next year.

      • trublu4ever says:

        Everything I’ve been reading says pretty much the same thing: “if McCourt is owner, I wont be there”! So, I believe you are right…a lot less tickets sold.

        • JhallWally says:

          They only sold 17K season tickets last year. Down from 28K a couple of years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if they take another big hit next year.

          • trublu4ever says:

            If things stay the same, the fans will stay home. They have had enough. I’m glad they are smart enough to know what an ass-hole Frank is and, are trying to make mlb show him the door.

  43. trublu4ever says:

    Yay….the 9th inning!

  44. JhallWally says:

    ( | )~~~Pfffffffffft……..Splat!!!

    .500 took a big hit tonight. Now we have to go 9-6 in the remaining games. And with Billz going tomorrow, odds aren’t in our favor.

  45. JhallWally says:

    Kemp and Sands the only guys with hits for us tonight. 7 0fers out of the 9 slots. You’d think we were facing Halliday.
    Kennedy vs Billz tomorrow night. We’re hosed. Might as well hit the RedBox and rent a good movie.

  46. JhallWally says:

    Darn shame the blowpen couldn’t keep us in the game.

  47. trublu4ever says:

    Well, at least they made the 9th exciting. Have a good night everybody. See you tomorrow.

  48. vl4eccjr says:

    Looks like the bullpen took the night off. ;-(

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